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Whatever happened to the new Bounty System?
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Hyacinthous
Starlight Industries .co
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#21 - 2011-10-31 19:38:03 UTC
Ajion wrote:
It would good for CCP to at least attempt to fix the bounty system. I mean, it is totally useless right now.

All they have to do, is to announce that the following expansions are going to have experiments with the bounty system, so that they can figure out which one works the best.

Since the current system is pretty much a dead horse and rotting, and nobody would mind the experimentation, cause at least it would be a sign of progress rather than stagnation.

And the funniest part, all CCP has to do, is look up player's suggestions and start from there, cause any one idea from the community is far better than what we got right now, which is nothing, just a label.

Or maybe CCP is afraid of the Troll army that will rise to defend that dead horse? Cause when we finally can hunt down suicide gangers and pirates in empire. The empire sec and the game will get a new flavor and an ISK sink ;)


+ Infinity & world favor

CCP needs to adapt or die.
Ajion
Duelism
#22 - 2011-11-01 13:43:40 UTC
Hyacinthous wrote:
CCP needs to adapt or die.



Nah man CCP does not need to adapt or die, all they go to do, HTFU and do their job, like they said " Strive for excellence!"

Current Bounty Hunting system does equate to excellence - it indicates mediocrity.

Inari Kobayashi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-11-01 14:22:41 UTC
Ajion wrote:
Quote:
Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk.


I think there is always a way that CCP can come up with at least an improved version of a bounty system. I mean all they got to do is just look into the ideas that people suggest. For example:

Concord gives out random licensees to the wanna be "bounty hunters". Think of these licensees, as license to kill, authorized by CONCORD. These licensees are granted to players with security level 3.0 and above. Licensees are a commodity so they can be traded, as there is a limited number of them, - here CCP can work out a mechanic of how it is delivered and replenished.

How does bounty hunter gets the right to kill another player? When the intended "criminal" reaches a bounty say of a100 mil, and his security level drops below -1.0. This would authorize a bounty to pod him, and unless he is podded, bounty hunter can choose to destroying his ships, instead. When he finally does pod him, license is revoked on the target and he gets paid.

Bringing 1 on 1 fights in empire.

This is my idea in less than 5 mins of thinking on it, and it is by far better than what we have now.

I hope you can agree that there is ALWAY room for CCP to do something about this, unfortunately it seems it is a dead mule that CCP wants to ignore, as long as possible.

Bounty system is essential to a healthy empire, and what we got is stagnation. Just think how quickly the miners would respond to those Goons ;) But placing bounties on their hads and the privateers would indirectly protect them.

Fun for everyone.


Great idea but could even simplfy it a bit

If A wants to take out a bounty on B then has to buy a bounty from Concord this gives A a fully transferrable contract to kill B for a limited period of time (1 week or 1 month at different rates). Buying bounty puts the amount of the bounty into escrow.

A can put the bounty contract up on the contract system (and risk an alt of B picking it up) or trade it to a known bounty hunter corp/player.

Basic bounty works for 0.0 or low sec but A has to pay a premium for a high sec bounty to allow kills in high sec. This would be paid to Concord and amount to a real ISK sink (no bad thing as far as the economy is concerned).

Bounty can only be taken out on players with negative security rating.

Bounty generates kill mail to show A what has happened and the total loss to B. I am sure with a system like this bounty hunter reputations would soon spring up to ensure a robust mechanic.
Ajion
Duelism
#24 - 2011-11-01 14:48:24 UTC
Yet, another great example, How another Player(Inari Kobayashi) came up in a short time with a better Bounty System than a current one. And he is not even paid to think on this!

Thus, it is inexcusable for CCP to have a Bounty Hunting System that is almost 8 years old and without any change, since the Beta - Please, allow it to sink into your mind deep and hard.. - 8 years nothing change, Still with me?
Lord Kreza
Brittas Empire
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-11-01 14:57:44 UTC
Ajion wrote:
Yet, another great example, How another Player(Inari Kobayashi) came up in a short time with a better Bounty System than a current one. And he is not even paid to think on this!

Thus, it is inexcusable for CCP to have a Bounty Hunting System that is almost 8 years old and without any change, since the Beta - Please, allow it to sink into your mind deep and hard.. - 8 years nothing change, Still with me?


What he said ^^^
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#26 - 2011-11-01 15:22:28 UTC
Inari Kobayashi wrote:
Great idea but could even simplfy it a bit

If A wants to take out a bounty on B then has to buy a bounty from Concord this gives A a fully transferrable contract to kill B for a limited period of time (1 week or 1 month at different rates). Buying bounty puts the amount of the bounty into escrow.

A can put the bounty contract up on the contract system (and risk an alt of B picking it up) or trade it to a known bounty hunter corp/player.

Basic bounty works for 0.0 or low sec but A has to pay a premium for a high sec bounty to allow kills in high sec. This would be paid to Concord and amount to a real ISK sink (no bad thing as far as the economy is concerned).

Bounty can only be taken out on players with negative security rating.

Bounty generates kill mail to show A what has happened and the total loss to B. I am sure with a system like this bounty hunter reputations would soon spring up to ensure a robust mechanic.


+1 Very solid concept

Have you thought of posting this in the 'Features & Ideas Discussion'?

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.
Stinkeye Cletus
The Good Ol' Boys
#27 - 2011-11-01 15:32:20 UTC
It is kind of odd they havent changed the system yet, And I really cant imagine any one being against improveing it.

Im doubting CCP is going to do anything about it soon. But it would be a nice surprise if they did.
NE Bounties CEO
New Eden Bounties
#28 - 2011-11-01 15:46:34 UTC
Ajion wrote:
If i recall correctly from Alliance Tournament 9, during live video breaks, there ran a short clip telling us of a new Bounty Hunting system that is coming soon.



JC Anderson wrote:
It wasn't a new bounty system.

And yeah it fooled me too. But it was an advertisement for a corp called New Eden Bounties. They were trying to find a way to incorporate it into their corp so that you can HIRE members of their corp as bounty hunters.

This was the advert during the AT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ypz9CQzQg

And this is their corp website, but not much on it.
http://www.newedenbounties.com/

From a thread that popped up not long after the AT,

Edit: just to be clear, this was a player sponsored add, not a ccpromise.


Correct, this was not a CCP advert but an advert for New Eden Bounties. It's a system that is being developed at the moment (slowely) and will hopefully be launched come Fanfest 2012.

However, please note that we are not affiliated with the Big Shot bounty service, which seems to be mostly inactive.
Ajion
Duelism
#29 - 2011-11-01 17:36:31 UTC
NE Bounties CEO wrote:

Correct, this was not a CCP advert but an advert for New Eden Bounties. It's a system that is being developed at the moment (slowely) and will hopefully be launched come Fanfest 2012.

However, please note that we are not affiliated with the Big Shot bounty service, which seems to be mostly inactive.


Thank you for doing CCP's job, but no thank you. I and many other players, do not wish to use 3'rd parties bounty hunting system. It is not new player friendly, it is annoying and in the long run rarely works. However, your project continues to demonstrate either the arrogance or incompetence of leadership at CCP.

Calapine wrote:
Have you thought of posting this in the 'Features & Ideas Discussion'?


Calapine, do you not think, that in the last 8 years, someone would have come up with even better ideas, than what we proposed here?

I think it is time to take this issue outside of the dark closest of Features & Ideas, since 8 years was not long enough for developers and management to get a hint! And stick it where it belongs in the General Discussion, because the Bounty Hunting System is so dead, that i am not even sure people are aware it even exist or how it actually meant to work!
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#30 - 2011-11-01 17:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hershman
Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here:

What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet?

It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank Twisted

Of course a substantial percentage fee would be required to set up a bounty in the first place. Like 75% of the bounty you offer, which is kept by the bounty office...

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#31 - 2011-11-01 17:56:42 UTC
Maybe also with recurring interest fees for how long the bounty is open, and you also have the option to close it when the cost is too much. That way people are not forever doomed to looking over their shoulder

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Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#32 - 2011-11-01 18:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Hershman wrote:
Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here:

What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet?

It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank Twisted


Well, this would be far too open to abuse.

Some bored hotshot, called Newbslayer, sits around Dodixie and picks out random casual called Captain Zoidberg, who is 2 months into the game and still doing LvL 3 missions in his spanking new drake. Newbslayer puts a 5bn ISK bounty on Zoidberg and kills him 20 seconds later. Then cleans up the pod with some smarties.

Newbie Zoidberg is now 5bn ISK in the red. Has lost his mission ship. Even if he sells of all his assets he will still be in debt and unable to buy a replacement ship. With no way to recover from the loss and unwilling to spend >100 $ on Plexx Zoidberg now throws the towel and unsubribes.

Congrats, you just griefed someone out of the game.

Cala

Edit:

This doesn't have to be a newbie either. Any alliance/corp that enjoys griefing and has too many ISK to burn can simply put out a 50bn ISK bounty on a single player. Overall I don't think your idea works if implemented like this.

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.
Ajion
Duelism
#33 - 2011-11-01 18:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajion
Hershman wrote:
That way people are not forever doomed to looking over their shoulder


Heh, Forever and ever man! jk But like i said, any constructive proposal is almost guaranteed to be better than what we got right now.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#34 - 2011-11-01 18:13:42 UTC
Calapine wrote:
Hershman wrote:
Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here:

What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet?

It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank Twisted


Well, this would be far too open to abuse.

Some bored hotshot, called Newbslayer, sits around Dodixie and picks out random casual called Captain Zoidberg, who is 2 months into the game and still doing LvL 3 missions in his spanking new drake. Newbslayer puts a 5bn ISK bounty on Zoidberg and kills him 20 seconds later. Then cleans up the pod with some smarties.

Newbie Zoidberg is now 5bn ISK in the red. Has lost his mission ship. Even if he sells of all his assets he will still be in debt and unable to buy a replacement ship. With no way to recover from the loss and unwilling to spend >100 $ on Plexx Zoidberg now throws the towel and unsubribes.

Congrats, you just griefed someone out of the game.

Cala

Edit:

This doesn't have to be a newbie either. Any alliance/corp that enjoys griefing and has too many ISK to burn can simply put out 50bn ISK bounty on a single player. Overall I don't think your idea works if implemented like this.


Ok, so full price bounty would be needed... But also remember you are getting an interest fee every month, so you don't wanna make a bounty and not follow up on it.

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Ajion
Duelism
#35 - 2011-11-01 21:10:33 UTC
A quick note.. Last Winter we had Incursion, Incarna. This year new ships, gfx, balances, all great neat things. But can we tag the big problems?

CCP is like a government attempting to distract its citizens, so that the real issues can be delayed.

Come on CCP, just dedicate one guy to fixing the bounty - find some Manager, and then make him plan out your internal approach to get new bounty system up and running. Followed by announcement, that you are now handling the issues, followed by a deadline.

Then deliver; even if it is half baked, but it is still would be better than what we got right now.
Ajion
Duelism
#36 - 2011-11-04 01:59:44 UTC
This issue is not resolveD!
Commander Mujuro
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-11-04 02:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Mujuro
Joneleth Rein
#38 - 2011-11-04 02:51:47 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty.


They do ?
How do you achieve that ?

I don't care about tears, they **** me off, but i'm curious.

I mean ... i just kill them ... so how do you do it ? lol

I understand you a 100%

But here me out, currently I just lost everything. My corp, my only mission running ship, I took the initiative to buy a plex which costed me 20 bucks hoping to be a good investment but I only got scammed out of it. Money is not easy for meto come by. I feel very stupid about it.

I'm just hoping I could have redemtion with you trusting me or better yet, get a friend of yours to do it for you and split it however you want with each other but I humbly ask you donate a billion of it for me kindly.

I'm open for anything, willing to join your corp for a given time to obtain that trust or anything else for that matter as I am unable to give you a security deposit.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.25 15:32
To: ,

Lol. I actually did undock in my pod last night when full to the gut with red wine. Nobody was quick enough to get a lock though ;(

Despite your noble words sir I would still require a security deposit of 800m Interstellar Kredits to partake in the services you are offering to provide.

I offer my sincere apologies if this in not a satisfacotry conclusion to our negotiations, ;p

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.25 02:13
To: ,

I wish I could come up with something that can show guarantee to be honest.
All I can say at the moment is to take my word on it but I know with such a prestigious person such as yourself it means nothing.

I don't know. I see it as a win win for you if I do or don't cause people wouldnt always be after ya or that and with a lot of mula.
But I really would give you the amount as I posted before as I would. I take 1 bil and give the rest back to you.

I can't compete with you. You can grief me, kick my ass 24/7, I'm nothing. I just really need some help getting a nice sum of doe to get on my feet.

Tell me what I can do for you, I'd do anything.

Re: Re: Re: Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.24 08:19
To: ,

So enlighten me as to what guarantee I have once leave station and insta warp my pod to you to be blown up that you then trasnfer the agreed balance to my wallet?

This is why I require the deposit you see.

Re: Re: Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.24 01:45
To: ,

Damn, I don't have the doe. But also logically if I had that much money and was able to earn that much I wouldn't be offering to kill ya to obtain a billion of your bounty and give you the rest.

I hope you can trust me and I am more than willing to do this on your own time. I'm a one man corp trying to get started. No purpose of me trying to **** ya off cause I am deliberately in no conditrion to fight back. So I can assure you, I would do my best to keep ya happy. lol

Re: Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.23 15:24
To:

This sounds like a satisfactory offer to me Sir. So as I can feel safe in the knowledge that you will not trick me please send me a security deposit of 800m ISK to put my mind at ease. When transferring the ISK put "Bounty Security Deposit" as the Description. Please confirm the date/time that you would like to come to Amarr to complete the terms of this transaction.

Regards,

Bounty
From: Sent: 2011.10.23 10:41
To: ,

Yo, let me come and kill you perdy plz. So I can have a billion of ya bounty and give the rest to you.

<3 lotta love.


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the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
#39 - 2011-11-04 03:23:22 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Which is why the entire bounty system is inherently flawed.

Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk..


Well, almost. If the bounty hunters were badass NPCs it might work.
Serene Repose
#40 - 2011-11-04 04:30:52 UTC
I thought the bounty system was for n00bs to make themselves look like dangerous criminals, and a way to insult someone by offering a 10 ISK bounty...all they're really worth.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.