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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#361 - 2013-05-17 23:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Gunsmythe
Lyrrashae wrote:
So....

Why have you dropped so many corps. in a fairly short time-frame, Jimmy?

Most of which appear to be bog-standard carebear outfits?

Too many "OMGGRIEVER!!!111" types cramping your style?

E:

I don't need to fit in with anyone, mate: That's the fundamental beauty of EVE, although the specifics of that seem to be beyond most of you.

When you grow up, you might begin to understand what that really means in the context of EVE-O.

Next!


Because people doing the same thing over and over bores me. Like you, for instance. Your trite and often employed 'Griefer lament' argument is stale, lacking any vision or imagination. It's all rinse and repeat, the clarion call of the sandbox that berates you for not doing it the one right way. It's what follows me on my way out the door.

Your transparent claim to 'carebeardom' belies your obvious troll of how carebears are to blame for all the woes of Eve. That mentality may work in Nintendoland, or Xbox Live, but here be people with a shred of critical thinking skills and generally a higher level of intelligence. We can spot BS fairly well, and your post contradicts itself into irrelevancy. Then you want to criticize the fact that at least I went out into the 'dangerous' parts of Eve, something most players simply won't do, as if that somehow bolsters your argument.

The fundamental beauty of Eve IS fitting in with others regardless of the fact that Eve can be downright hostile to players...why do you think that organizations like Goons, TEST, PL, etc have done so well? Because despite their obvious social and emotional deficiencies, they manage to form a coherent force that few can reckon with. And they do it without being a mush-brained sycophant. That's why I respect them, even if they are out to ruin 'Our game'. They can do well what most cannot do at all, and for the most part, they do it as equals.

Next. Roll

John Hancock

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#362 - 2013-05-18 00:12:52 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
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Your transparent claim to 'carebeardom' belies your obvious troll of how carebears are to blame for all the woes of Eve. That mentality may work in Nintendoland, or Xbox Live, but here be people with a shred of critical thinking skills and generally a higher level of intelligence. We can spot BS fairly well, and your post contradicts itself into irrelevancy. Then you want to criticize the fact that at least I went out into the 'dangerous' parts of Eve, something most players simply won't do, as if that somehow bolsters your argument.


There are carebears, and there are carebears. That term can be applied non-pejoratively as well as pejoratively, depending on the individual in question. Try actually understanding what I wrote, on more levels than it takes to spout the same pathetic little XBox-teen-level trolls you accuse me of . Depth of thought without blatant hypocrisy, can we haz?

Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
The fundamental beauty of Eve IS fitting in with others regardless of the fact that Eve can be downright hostile to players...why do you think that organizations like Goons, TEST, PL, etc have done so well?


That's fine. For them. It isn't, always, for others. That's the beauty of a sandbox, see, you don't have to try and fit in with anyone if you don't want to.

Now, back on-topic: Because this thread is ultimately about compromising the sandbox for everyone, regardless of where/with whom/if they want to fit in.

Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
[...] And they do it without being a mush-brained sycophant. [...]


What the Hell does ^^this^^ even have to do with anything, let alone what I said? If you're going to try and insult me, then at least learn how and where to use all those impressive-looking words, eh?

**** off, kid, I'm finished with you.

Ni.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#363 - 2013-05-18 03:09:37 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Reading your posts reminds me of when I was about 6-9 months old and trying to fit in with the 'hardened' Eve players. Needless to say, it is quite amusing.

You'll learn. Maybe.

Newbies Big smile

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lenda Shinhwa
Bad Touches
#364 - 2013-05-18 03:52:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

Maybe EVE was originally about being a cold, harsh place where you were constantly in danger, and the weak dropped the game. It is not that any more. It is now a game designed to support many play styles, and all kinds of players.


I'm good with all play styles playing Eve and I have a simple solution to all this. Carebears who don't want to fight ever also don't get to participate in the same economy as the rest of us. They can mine, mission, make, and sell to themselves but not a drop of isk flows out of carebear land. The corp rules and CONCORD are a huge buff to carebear land and still it is never enough. The making of isk without any interference is all important.

Some might say creating PvE and PvP servers for Eve would be the death of PvP, but it would be 100% the other way. Eve PvE is terrible (sorry CCP Devs) and mining is boring. Oh yes please, let me feel the excitement of researching a blue print for the next 10 weeks. The PvE server would be a vast wasteland without the "cold harsh universe" feature that makes Eve great.

So instead of making Eve a safer and safer zone for people who should be playing Farming Simulator instead, CCP should be weaning everyone off the risk free isk fountain that hisec is. If isk is free, it is also worthless.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#365 - 2013-05-18 03:58:34 UTC
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
I'm good with all play styles playing Eve and I have a simple solution to all this. Carebears who don't want to fight ever also don't get to participate in the same economy as the rest of us. They can mine, mission, make, and sell to themselves but not a drop of isk flows out of carebear land.

But what happens if we need researched blueprints, since the carebears can't sell to us? Well then:
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
mining is boring. Oh yes please, let me feel the excitement of researching a blue print for the next 10 weeks.

"You need us to mine for youuuu"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#366 - 2013-05-18 04:06:08 UTC
If demand raises prices to high enough levels, people who normally wouldn't bother supplying might reconsider their positions.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Lady Areola Fappington
#367 - 2013-05-18 04:37:30 UTC
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

Maybe EVE was originally about being a cold, harsh place where you were constantly in danger, and the weak dropped the game. It is not that any more. It is now a game designed to support many play styles, and all kinds of players.


I'm good with all play styles playing Eve and I have a simple solution to all this. Carebears who don't want to fight ever also don't get to participate in the same economy as the rest of us. They can mine, mission, make, and sell to themselves but not a drop of isk flows out of carebear land. The corp rules and CONCORD are a huge buff to carebear land and still it is never enough. The making of isk without any interference is all important.

Some might say creating PvE and PvP servers for Eve would be the death of PvP, but it would be 100% the other way. Eve PvE is terrible (sorry CCP Devs) and mining is boring. Oh yes please, let me feel the excitement of researching a blue print for the next 10 weeks. The PvE server would be a vast wasteland without the "cold harsh universe" feature that makes Eve great.

So instead of making Eve a safer and safer zone for people who should be playing Farming Simulator instead, CCP should be weaning everyone off the risk free isk fountain that hisec is. If isk is free, it is also worthless.


Another thought-provoking block of text, shamelessly stolen from Eurogamer.

A sandbox can only be as deep as its creators allow though, and Eve remains a world tied heavily to CCP's fiction and rules - at least away from the low/null-security frontiers. In the second decade though, the game is stable enough to get more ambitious. "[The sandbox] should go as far as players want," says Lander." So, features like designing ships instead of just using pre-built ones? Having willing players replace the CONCORD NPC police force in high-security space? Destroying the four empires and shifting the universe entirely to a corporation and alliance driven one? "Oh, god yeah," Lander answered immediately - to the concepts, not confirming their imminent additions. "A lot of Eve's restrictions, they're because we had to get it out of the door."


I'm going to quote this again. "A lot of Eve's restrictions, they're because we had to get it out of the door."

Seems to me, CCP wants EVE to be even more harsh, cold, and player-driven. From my understanding, all these things the 'bears love and cherish were forced on CCP due to design constraints and, IIRC, publisher restrictions.

Given their druthers, EVE would have no CONCORD, no highsec, no Empire, and we as the players would run the show.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Lenda Shinhwa
Bad Touches
#368 - 2013-05-18 15:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenda Shinhwa
Alavaria Fera wrote:

But what happens if we need researched blueprints, since the carebears can't sell to us? Well then:


The carebears, or at least some of them, will come to the PvP server because that is what makes Eve fun. Suddenly they won't be carebears any more, but actual Industrialists with the knowledge that at anytime someone can pee in their cheerios. Instead of whining on the forums about that they will work at out smarting the bad guys to keep it from happening. If alliance X is a bunch of tools then the Industrialists will sell those BPOs, and ore, and ships, and modules to alliance Y instead.

This is the other choice, and I don't think a very good one considering how awful (sorry again CCP devs) the PvE is in Eve:

"In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!" -- James 315