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So... where is Admiral Yanala?

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-05-17 23:04:07 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I, too, would be interested to hear about the Admiral's whereabouts. I assume that a period of personal seclusion after such a traumatic conflict may be needed even by the likes of us capsuleers, but the lack of media coverage in general is disheartening.

Here's hoping we will hear more soon, even if not from the Admiral herself.

While investigation is in process, I don't think she will be allowed to appear in the media, and her whereabouts should be held in secret for the sake of both her and national security (it is quite possible, that some organizations would want her dead, and others - to be released).

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-05-17 23:07:13 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Considering the glowing commendation of which her actions are deserving, I find her absence from national media... conspicuous. She hasn't been seen or heard from since the battle. I appreciate the need for professional quiet on these occasions, but this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed.

Turning off main ship weapons during a fight is not what a combat officer should do. Although turning off systems before crashing on a planet is commendable, but disabling main and decisive weapon several minutes before is concerning, if not disturbing.

Firing main weapon on enemy fleet repeatedly can stand between losing and winning the battle. During Caldari Prime defense I didn't pay attention to the titan and actions of Admiral, concentrating on the targets. However, if the investigation will show that oblivion actually was never fired and didn't destroy any of enemy vessels, then Admiral Yanala is in a really big big trouble. And I doubt we would ever hear from her again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-17 23:15:06 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.

If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.


Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-05-18 00:34:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.

If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.


Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision.



Seems like Diana Kim is starting to see the light!

who would have thought that there is even a line in the sand that her most dearest executor cant cross? hmmm...

Things are looking bleak for the executor indeed...
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-05-18 01:16:00 UTC
The observant will note certain points of interest in the timing of the events listed by the flight recorder, the honorable admiral's statements on local communications, the (admittedly presumed) orders that gave rise to them, and the time her pod was ejected from the Shiigeru.

The cold calculi of power and honor currently leave very little room for both Yanala and the Executor to exist.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#46 - 2013-05-18 03:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Stitcher wrote:
[..] this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed.
Really? If your best officers being able and wise enough to take action to avoid an extinction-level event on your homeworld is considered as such a big deal, it suggests that a lot of those in the Navy might not be so level-headed. Hardly something you could use for positive PR, in my opinion. I think that if Yanala had acted in any other way, she would have been dishonourably discharged and/or not court martialed.

In that light I also find it a tad early to call her absence from media conspicious.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-05-18 04:18:00 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
The title of this thread is 'Where is Admiral Yanala?' The original comment is talking about her absence from public awareness.

If you think she's been murdered by Heth then this is exactly the thread to say as much.


Lady Hanaya... Executor-haan is the head of the State, he is respectable, merited and honorable man. He can't just "murder" someone. If Admiral Yanala will have to die, it will be either her or tribunal decision.



Seems like Diana Kim is starting to see the light!

who would have thought that there is even a line in the sand that her most dearest executor cant cross? hmmm...

Things are looking bleak for the executor indeed...

Why would you think so?
I will gladly give my life to protect our Executor, or if he will order me to.
And you, tribal, do you have someone whom would you give your petty life for?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-18 05:11:07 UTC
Shiori Shaishi wrote:
The observant will note certain points of interest in the timing of the events listed by the flight recorder, the honorable admiral's statements on local communications, the (admittedly presumed) orders that gave rise to them, and the time her pod was ejected from the Shiigeru.

The cold calculi of power and honor currently leave very little room for both Yanala and the Executor to exist.

There are two event, that bring the most concern to me. First, is that, according to communications shield were stable and the titan was tanking damage, but then pilots were saying shields almost instantly dropped.
And second, is this recent find, that main weapon was powered down during combat way before the ship has lost stability.

I don't know what really happened there, but the facts prevent me from naming Admiral Yanala as honorable. I would prefer to wait for results of the investigation, but, if my worst assumptions would become true, we won't hear result in the near future, until all involved would be seized or neutralized by other means. And thus until finished, the temporary results of the investigation should remain hidden.

As for coexisting of Admiral Yanala and Executor Heth, I am afraid that I can't even imagine coexisting now Admiral Yanala with Caldari Navy, because, unfortunately, I can't think even at least one reason to power down ship's main weapon during combat, that wouldn't be dishonorable.

These news about oblivion weapon were really shocking for me. But now it is crystal clear why the Admiral was put under detention. I don't know if there was some kind of plot, or someone did horrible mistakes.

All I can do now, is to wish good luck to CPD and Navy in solving this issue.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-18 11:54:42 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Really? If your best officers being able and wise enough to take action to avoid an extinction-level event on your homeworld is considered as such a big deal, it suggests that a lot of those in the Navy might not be so level-headed. Hardly something you could use for positive PR, in my opinion.


1) Except the balance of evidence increasingly is that she was ordered to CAUSE an extinction-level event. In the grand tradition of "if I can't have it, nobody can." If that is the case then she not only disobeyed a direct order, but went on to ensure that it couldn't inadvertently be carried out by her vessel's death throes. Demonstrating that our Navy's best and brightest know better than to follow catastrophically bad orders. This is a virtue any military should be proud of.

2) The fight over Home was a clusterbomb. I don't know exactly how many ships were involved but while space battles do get larger than that, it's not common. Admiral Yanala was commanding that battlespace up until the very end, and still kept the presence of mind to see the bigger picture. From personal experience I can tell you; that's a harder feat of multi-tasking than you seem to think.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#50 - 2013-05-19 15:13:58 UTC
This is an extremely disturbing line of inquiry. i sincerely hope that Diana Kim is correct and that Admiral Yanala is being kept away from press intrusion.

Unfortunately, that decision is having a destabilising effect on the State as questions are now being asked. They must be answered.

A brief appearance by Admiral Yanala will scotch these concerns and this must now happen in my view. this cannot be allowed to continue.

Fly Caldari!

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#51 - 2013-05-19 15:23:14 UTC
With regard to the actions on Home, I believe Admiral Yanala should be tried under a Court Martial. her actions can be explored, her testimony taken and she can be exonerated.

In my view, Admiral Yanala upheld the high regard of the Caldari Navy and her actions helped save our ancestral homeworld.

Fly Caldari!

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-05-19 23:14:43 UTC
There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-19 23:29:27 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Akahoshi-haani


I'm flattered, but I'm afraid I'm not a State citizen.

Stitcher wrote:
Admiral Yanala was commanding that battlespace up until the very end, and still kept the presence of mind to see the bigger picture. From personal experience I can tell you; that's a harder feat of multi-tasking than you seem to think.


You have no idea how pleased I am to hear you say that.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-05-19 23:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
I must retract the ill statements I made following the battle, it seems that Yanala and the brave crew of the Shiigeru went down with honor. She deserves so much more than a mere medal, or anything someone can bestow upon her.

Though, this raises more questions. Who gave the order to activate the doomsday (which Yanala honorably disobeyed)? Why were the final transmissions of the Shiigeru saying they were going to Doomsday the planet? And of course, where is the Admiral?

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Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#55 - 2013-05-20 09:58:41 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.


I'm not sure I agree. A Court Martial is used where breaches of military discipline occur.

I think that there is little doubt that Admiral Yanala defied standing orders from the Executor to open fire on the planet by shutting down the weapons systems on the Shiigeru in its final moments. That is a clear breach of military discipline and should warrant a court martial to investigate and determine guilt and if necessary sanctions.

Be in no doubt that I think Admiral Yanala acted entirely properly throughout and I am sure that this will be the outcome of any court martial which should exonerate her.

Fly Caldari!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-20 12:49:54 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:

A brief appearance by Admiral Yanala will scotch these concerns and this must now happen in my view. this cannot be allowed to continue.

If I were in her place, I wouldn't be alive for sure. And even if I would, I would never dare to appear in the public.

Stitcher wrote:
There should be an inquest, certainly. but you don't court martial somebody unless you're accusing them of breaking military law, which would only come about as a result of an inquest.

According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#57 - 2013-05-20 13:05:28 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy.


Impressive, ain't it?

Considering she may have saved the State by choosing not to glass our own planet.

Come on, you really think Kaalakiota wouldn't be altogether bankrupt by now if the strike had been ordered?

Shares all over the State would be dropping like untanked Retrievers in New Order systems.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-05-20 14:12:34 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

According to available information, I can make an assumption that she is accused in putting down weapon during the fight instead of using it against the enemy.


Impressive, ain't it?

Considering she may have saved the State

She saved lives by shutting down subsystems, but the weapon was deactivated long before that.

Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:

by choosing not to glass our own planet.

Come on, you really think Kaalakiota wouldn't be altogether bankrupt by now if the strike had been ordered?

Pilot Quinzel Nikulainen, what is the purpose of an Oblivion-class doomsday device installed on a Leviathan-class State titan ship during engagement against larger enemy fleet with dreadnoughts, carriers and a supercarrier on field?

Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:

Shares all over the State would be dropping like untanked Retrievers in New Order systems.

Excuse me, like what? Like where?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-05-20 16:55:39 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
Be in no doubt that I think Admiral Yanala acted entirely properly throughout and I am sure that this will be the outcome of any court martial which should exonerate her.


Barring a man in a black trenchcoat walking into the courtroom with an executive order, sure.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#60 - 2013-05-20 18:56:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Brandi Wiseman wrote:

A brief appearance by Admiral Yanala will scotch these concerns and this must now happen in my view. this cannot be allowed to continue.

If I were in her place, I wouldn't be alive for sure. And even if I would, I would never dare to appear in the public.


I am sure that we are all mightily relieved that you were not in her place.

Fly Caldari!