EVE General Discussion

Ok, I'm not Tippia but,

The whole point of being able to learn all the skills is you can build your character to do what you like doesn't have to be stuck in a niche and some people don't want to have to make alts to compensate.

Part of your fun is building characters into existing niches, that's not the same for everyone.






Pirate and faction warfare - working as intended through player choice.

High sp character unable to play aspects of the game because of the high cost of JC is a balancing issue namely it's out of balance regarding cost which is unlikely to be intended.







There we disagree again, you wouldn't be able to train all skills if they intended to force you into specialization. If they did want specialization on main characters then they might as well have done that on character creation and hence the learning trees would be specific to the specializations. But they didn't.

Actually, it rather does. In particular, it means that if you want to put all your eggs in one basket and have no redundancy or ability to do parallel tasks, you should be able to do so.

Another part of the game that is really fun is to make a jack of all trades, which doesn't build itself out of any niche. The downside to doing this is that it takes a really, really long time.

Oh, and no, pirates do not build themselves out of the highsec dweller niche, nor do FW pilots build themselves out of opposing-faction-mission niches. Those are standings decisions that come out of gameplay, not the meta-game, and that have absolutely nothing to do with the character build. Those decisions are also 100% reversible at any time, should you choose to. This is not true for skills. If at any point you can build yourself out of a niche, that building system is an abject failure.

The skill system already provides that, so why should a character be penalised just because it's old?

Still eager to hear your answer.

Well I did actually answer that with an eye roll and a comment directed at you saying 'Also a lot of posts'.



Well you're quoting me saying 'A lot of posts' well that does not tell me what you're specifically referring to and especially as you're adding it in with Destiny's comments. So I answered in the shortest and best way possible.



But what I will say to your comments on losses, who's losses are you worried about most, yours or the victims, I think it's the victims you just want the max hurt you can get. Because if you have more isk than you need then isk is irrelevant to you and hence so are the losses. Nobody is suggesting that this is the type of game where you get a replica of your ship given to you after yours has been destroyed that's just silly talk. It's just a reduction in the clone costs that will allow vets to participate in PvP in whatever ship they like.


Ah typical 5 quote limit rule

Have you ever thought about fun, or even RP.

I'm not interesting in kill stats or patting myself on the back that's all pretty much irrelevant to me.

Just to make one thing clear. I started out as part of the hard core RP community. I was part of the war between Ushra'Khan and CVA years before those alliances even existed, so yes, I have thought of RP.

That's what I am aiming at. I want pvp to have a meaning. I don't give a crap about killstats and I can say with certainty that I way better killstats than you. I enjoy fun pvp but I want the end result of a fight to have a meaning. That's what I am aiming at and what you fail to grasp. You're either not understanding that or just ignoring it. I enjoy that if you lose a ship you need to grind missions, mine asteroids, do incursions, scamming, station trading or whatever to get isk to buy a new ship. That's RP. that's losses having a meaning.

So I ask again: Why do you pvp if that and killstats are of no concern to you?

I've already told you, I can't force you accept the answer, but that is the answer.

We are only talking about reducing clone costs nothing else (although I'd get rid of learning implants too, but won't go into that here). So you will still have to grind some isk, although even that doesn't matter too much unless you want to grind the isk as you could simply buy and sell PLEX.


PvP have meaning, that depends on how you view it as an individual, I don't need material things to give meaning to it.

I think some people feel they need something to lose before they will try their best, but that's simply not true.

Lol, where did that come from. I do wonder about your thought process Corey.

CLONE COSTS ARE TOO DAMNED HIGH!

Some of the gorillas are still trying to defend one of the worst mechanics of Eve? Get over it. CCP knows it is broken and is going to change it. Adapt.