EVE General Discussion

Apart from getting multiple accounts to scout -and not everybody wishes to roleplay a whole corp-, they do not. Again, how comes you cannot be a vigilante or bounty hunter in EvE ?
You also cannot scam a scammer or infiltrate the corp of someone who infiltrates corps, since the griefers' mindset enables them to see a naive revenge-seeker coming.

The only people who believe that enacting revenge in EvE is possible are those who don't have to do it because they're on the good side of the fence, camping a gate or chilling in the docking bay. And paying billions of isk to get a frozen corpse is so lame it's not worth mentioning.

And still nobody admits it.

This thread has helped me understand that there is a difference between griefers and PVPers.

Now if only those two types of players could see the differences between each other.

I guess the message is that people are faeces. Some more than others.

I had hoped for better.

Well, look at what goes on in the world today and you don't need a sandbox MMO to realize that.

All that strife going on in North Africa, for example... two years ago someone connected to the fat cats in the smokey back rooms on this was mocking me, talking about all the money that's going to be made. "And there's nothing you can do to stop it" I was told.

So whether it's an MMO or the real world, people will do whatever they can IF they can get away with it.


If there was some kind of social experiment afoot, the results are clear: people will sink to all sorts of lows if there is no consequence.

Now it's just a matter of guiding the drone strikes onto live targets and enjoying it. We won't be seeing gunship pilots make excuses like "well, they should not have been on that bridge" in order to spare the guilt. It's going to be "LOL - you see that the body parts went in all directions! WOOT! Hey, get that school bus!"

I have to give the game some credit. You can, if you are not some emo rage ganker at large, learn to operate in a tactical "condition yellow" mindset that, for a well-practiced mind, not the sort to slip into la la land, gives you less chance of getting RL-Ganked. That's why I like to play in 0.0 and WHs.

Nothing invested in the game? No time? No subscription fee. How nice.

Does anyone else keep up with the statistics on how many US citizens are currently incarcerated?

No?

How about 1 out of 100.

Is there a message there?

Sure, I have time invested as well a subscription fee (Indirectly thanks to PLEX.) But the game I subscribe to is one where I am aware that killing and being killed is a big part of it.

I can't think of a single instance where I have either been killed or killed someone else where either/both of the following weren't true:

1. Doing something they shouldn't be (Not watching local, fell for obvious bait etc).

2. Was fully aware that death was a possible/probable/likely outcome of what they were doing.

From Hulkageddon to shooting people in Level 4 missions, not a single loss would have happened if the player was doing everything they should have been.

Just because you are emotionally insecure on levels so severe that you are emotionally affected when you lose something as part of a game doesn't mean that the people around you are flawed.

For example; Last weekend I lost £50.00 in a poker game, I went into that game knowing that I was putting my money on the line, the risks were very clear and I went ahead and did it anyway. I lost out on £50.00 due to my poor betting decisions, ones that, in retrospect I clearly shouldn't have made with the hand available to me. Does it suck? Sure, that's £50.00 I no longer have.

Do I feel sad, upset or cheated? No. Why? Because I was fully aware of what I was doing and can take responsibility for the risks which I take and I wouldn't have betted money I couldn't have afforded to lose. Not to mention, I enjoyed the game even though I lost and I will probably do it again next week and perhaps even win.

Anything you do is a gamble in EVE and real-life morality is non-applicable. Other people shouldn't have to gauge in advance just how invested you are in your pixels before shooting at you, these are issues you need to deal with yourself, and if you can't perhaps consider playing a game which doesn't give a PvP death penalty.

If something like your Anshar is so precious you cannot possibly afford to lose it, then don't fly it. Once you undock you are consenting to PvP and as a freighter is in many circumstances worth suicide ganking you had best take a long hard think about what you're doing.

Well i catch up with the poker game, if i may..

Once you lost did those people start with personal insult that you sux and you should never get in this game ? Did they follow you home yelling at you kicking and screaming how ******* loser you are ? Did they pay for billboards showing that you cant even play Poker?

No. ?

So your example cant really fly in this cause.

And if you read more careful, apart some posts, its not really about losing ships. Its about the behavior of those inclined in this "particular aspect" of the "game", Behavior i used your example to.

I hardly play EVE anymore so maybe people changed, but watching the real world and the in-game reality i doubt it.

People are ****** beyond repair. Lets all life cease to exist and we will finally have ethereal peace. Rocks don't feel rocks are the future. Emotionally connected are even those who do "the killing" otherwise they wouldn't do it. You do stuff because it brings "fun" "enjoyment" so you are indeed emotionally connected to killing other people stuff "in game". That connection is very very REAL.
However it doesn't mean you got same connection in the "real life" whatever that means. "Different rules apply"

Humiliating victims is fun and great stuff, i think not. You think its great ?

That's the attitude I like to see.

Did your parents cheat on their income tax, and each other?

Do you think that's ok?

Is that what you are going to teach your children?

Remember, morals are usually taught at home.

Some people are just sore winners. You complain that they have the protection of a computer screen, but if you can't ignore kids being kids then thankfully so do you in the form of the "block" button.