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Dev blog: Dual Character Training

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Giribaldi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-05-17 03:01:46 UTC
Dear CCP, I like the idea however id like to ask that u allow us 2 ability to either take advtange of this DUAL training and let us dual TRAIN 1 toon.. What i mean is Activate dual train and activate 2 skill trains at once on one toon on that single acount. Yes i know the coding on this is very VERY complex and will unlikly come this patch.. BUT please see to it that we get it later on? Cus TBH i have 6 acount's and this is in know way diffrent from having a second acount MINUS i cant log into all my toons in 1 acount... and a plex costs more.... SO as a valued Customer of CCP please dont SEED this USELESS idea... because in all honesty just get urself a 2nd acount or 7th in my case save the 5 bucks (diffrence from 1 plex versus 1 month sub) or 38 bucks (1 year sub) like i do... its in essence the same exact thing with the draw back of i cant use the 2nd character in training... the only way this is good is to train research alts(takes like 34 day's and isnt really worth another acount.... or something along those lines.... If peopel are smart they would buddy invite themself thsu gaining a plex for free and get 21+30 days of game time on one acoutn for the price of 0 dollars (with use of 500m for plex) very easy LOOP hole if u will... (might wanna al;so look into getting rid of said loop hole (AKA gettign around the acount creation fee of 4.95 or w.e it is [1 time fee]) Looking forward to the REPLY CCP... (ALSO I AGREE WITH CRHIBBA!!! HES MA BUDDY!!)
dark heartt
#162 - 2013-05-17 04:31:21 UTC
Riffix wrote:
All they do is reduce the need for players to work together


That's not true at all. I have this character as my main, and another that is a perfect market alt. I still work with other players an awful lot. It just helps keep your characters focused.

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Debir Achen
Makiriemi Holdings
#163 - 2013-05-17 05:17:07 UTC
Valkyrs wrote:
If it's smart enough to realize someone else is training, please offer to pause it and start it on the current character.
Yes PLEASE! Please. please.

Though with dual-training, the dialog would need to list the characters who are training (ie the other two) and ask which is to be paused.

Aren't Caldari supposed to have a large signature?
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2013-05-17 06:33:31 UTC
Hahaha, some tard happy for the new plex price manipulation.
Welcome to over 700m plex prices.
Dual character train ? The training was hard with separated characters, on two accounts ?
But at least all those character could log on, in same time.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2013-05-17 07:37:23 UTC
Finally something that improves eve not nerfing caldari all the time like Fozzie does.
Go Guard(or who worked on it) and take Fozzies pay you deserve it more.

I would have loved this dual training implemented years ago,currently i already have my alts :P
Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#166 - 2013-05-17 07:38:33 UTC
Sure this is nice .... bout whot will happen with plex price : (( it will rise up to 700m after this -_-''

i call it a JESUS Feature : |
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2013-05-17 07:39:05 UTC
Giribaldi wrote:
Dear CCP, I like the idea however id like to ask that u allow us 2 ability to either take advtange of this DUAL training and let us dual TRAIN 1 toon.. What i mean is Activate dual train and activate 2 skill trains at once on one toon on that single acount. Yes i know the coding on this is very VERY complex and will unlikly come this patch.. BUT please see to it that we get it later on? Cus TBH i have 6 acount's and this is in know way diffrent from having a second acount MINUS i cant log into all my toons in 1 acount... and a plex costs more.... SO as a valued Customer of CCP please dont SEED this USELESS idea... because in all honesty just get urself a 2nd acount or 7th in my case save the 5 bucks (diffrence from 1 plex versus 1 month sub) or 38 bucks (1 year sub) like i do... its in essence the same exact thing with the draw back of i cant use the 2nd character in training... the only way this is good is to train research alts(takes like 34 day's and isnt really worth another acount.... or something along those lines.... If peopel are smart they would buddy invite themself thsu gaining a plex for free and get 21+30 days of game time on one acoutn for the price of 0 dollars (with use of 500m for plex) very easy LOOP hole if u will... (might wanna al;so look into getting rid of said loop hole (AKA gettign around the acount creation fee of 4.95 or w.e it is [1 time fee]) Looking forward to the REPLY CCP... (ALSO I AGREE WITH CRHIBBA!!! HES MA BUDDY!!)

Also plex should beconvertable into free allocatable sp...
NOPE
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#168 - 2013-05-17 10:00:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
My main issue is cost. A plex is 20 bucks. To add a "bonus" is a 125% increase in the account cost for a temporary "feature".


It's a 33% increase, not a 125% increase, and they're probably using PLEX because it's easier to implement for an experimental feature that we have no guarantee will continue to be offered in the long term. I'm sure they'll consider allowing you to buy it directly through account management eventually, but for now, this is probably aimed at those of us who already buy PLEX in-game to pay for our accounts.


If I got this wrong on my napkin math forgive me.

Monthly subscription 14.99
To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month
15+20, 35 dollars a month.

Its over double the amount just to enable a feature.

Yaay!!!!
Lucian Thorundan
House Of Serenity.
#169 - 2013-05-17 10:08:22 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:


Monthly subscription 14.99
To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month
15+20, 35 dollars a month.

Its over double the amount just to enable a feature.


Yes its more, BUT you have to remember a few things:

1. This feature cost money to make. CCP dev time, QA time, design time etc.
2. You do get the gain of still using said alt after you stop paying this, unlike a second account.
3. You dont have to use it.

I personally run multiple accounts, some of which are so i can dual box and some of which are so i can train alts, i personally will continue to use both of these features and am extremely happy to see it coming in.

Also, the CCP dev's have said a few times in here that they will look at alternative payment etc if it gets used and we request it, as for now its a "trial" system using PLEX only.

Multiple applications of PLEX to stack the "training credit" will also come in with time if its used.

On the topic, somebody else asked here, how will the API represent the dual training accounts, time left etc? I'm keen to understand how that will be reflected.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#170 - 2013-05-17 10:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Phoenix Jones wrote:
If I got this wrong on my napkin math forgive me.

Monthly subscription 14.99
To enable dual character, you have to plex it. A plex is 20 a month
15+20, 35 dollars a month.

Its over double the amount just to enable a feature.


Yes, it requires a PLEX because it's an experimental feature and that may change in the future. If they do eventually allow you to pay for it in the account management section without a PLEX then I doubt it'll cost $20. Same way a character transfer costs $20 if you pay for it in cash and 2 PLEX if you opt to use PLEX.

Also nobody pays $20 for PLEX they usually buy packages of 2 or more which brings the price down to $17.50

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blue dehazon
Stonegard Arrows
#171 - 2013-05-17 11:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: blue dehazon
CCP Guard wrote:
As some of you have seen on our test server Singularity, the option to train alts on the same account for PLEX is being implemented. To further explain the details of this sought after function, CCP Quant and CCP Ytterbium have written a new dev blog which we invite you to feast your eyes on.

And of course we eagerly await your feedback and questions as always.
This is of no juse.Give us a second training que for free due to the long skill training time that migth keep a lott of players longer in the game as they gett a second way to play the game at no exstra cost and the 2 extra toons on 1 accont can actully be jused,what they want to do is of no juse as 1 extra accont cost less if nott jusing plex,and you can play bouth att the same time
Alexader Dark
The Band of Brothers
#172 - 2013-05-17 12:02:36 UTC
Let's see. I do not have an Alt Toon, But if I did. I could Pay twice to train 2 Toons on 1 account and only be able to play 1 at any given times, or train 2 Toons on 2 accounts for the same price and be able to play 2 Toons at the same time.

This is a HARD decission, NOT!
Countess Kari
Disciples Of Rebellion
#173 - 2013-05-17 12:22:35 UTC
If I remember correctly, when Eve first came out we were able to train all our toons at the same time anyways.
Then they stopped it for some reason.
I know I was not happy about having to pay to activate another account, but hey, players let it happen.
It is still cheaper to run two accounts, you can play them at the same time and make use of them
Sandgeist
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2013-05-17 12:36:29 UTC
We have payed for the game. For a Game with 3 Charackterslots. And now we have to pay again if we want to train a 2nd Char simultaneously. ?!

Rly ccp. Dont do this. Give the simultaneously train for free. Or make it like this: We activate 1 more simultaneously training bar with one plex for ever. But not every month 1 plex for 1 char to train. Thats to hard in pay to win direction....
Adkira
Adkira Corporation
#175 - 2013-05-17 12:41:40 UTC
Sandgeist wrote:
We have payed for the game. For a Game with 3 Charackterslots. And now we have to pay again if we want to train a 2nd Char simultaneously. ?!

Rly ccp. Dont do this. Give the simultaneously train for free. Or make it like this: We activate 1 more simultaneously training bar with one plex for ever. But not every month 1 plex for 1 char to train. Thats to hard in pay to win direction....


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Tommy Nash
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2013-05-17 13:22:41 UTC
I find this feature really useful for toons you only want to use for very specific stuff and you only want to train for limited skills. i.e. Trader toons, Research toons and hi-sec haulers. For other porpouse, its better to have an extra account.

Only problem I see is that PLEX prices are going to rise. Dual character training + Power of 2 + Tournament = 600mill PLEX or higher = More people paying monthly suscription or buying PLEX to CCP. Smart move CCP.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#177 - 2013-05-17 16:06:35 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Right. Sorry - Didn't think I'd quite crossed that particular line, but I'll note the warning and be more careful.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#178 - 2013-05-17 16:13:57 UTC
DeODokktor wrote:


And for those of you wanting to do this for a whole year...
Buy a second account!..

There you have it - you've found the core point: This is a short term convenience, not a full-up year-round program. Once or twice a year - maybe three times - it makes good sense. Used much more than that, just go ahead and get a second account.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#179 - 2013-05-17 18:03:01 UTC
"Stands up"


Bravo CCP !!

*applauds*

Your route to excellence is shorter by a long distance.

Thank you very much for listening your community and offering the so important "planning choices" players have to do.
This will help a lot of players and as you rightfully stated, it's a very good compromise for players as for the company it self.

Once again, bravo!

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#180 - 2013-05-17 21:24:07 UTC
Drachiel wrote:
[quote=No Alibi]
Dual training

$19.95 per month
Cannot use both characters at once

Second Account

$15 per month
Can use both characters at once

Not only is a second account cheaper, it's also outright better.

45 days would, IMO make up for the higher $$$ cost and inability to dual box.


Don't get me wrong here, I love having two accounts to alt tab between but I don't find much benefits from more than two since my system gets sluggish and there is rarely a reason why I would have both my accounts idle. Plus I prefer spending 2 PLEX a month for my 6 characters over 6 PLEX a month for six accounts.

My accounts have 3 characters that I use and if I want to train one of my alts for a month my options are to either pause my main, or to start a new account (1 PLEX) transfer my alt (2 PLEX) for a total of 3 PLEX and an additional PLEX a month every month or transfer it back after a month (2 PLEX) for a total of 5 PLEX! I prefer just paying 1 PLEX to add an additional 1-2m SP to my preexisting alts which occurs especially when new skills or ships are introduced.

This feature isn't for everyone, but it is a great option for people in this situation who have three characters on an account that they use.