EVE General Discussion

Meh sov should only be attained and maintained by being the controlling influence in those constellations / regions via healthy use I the space. Stop using it (no one milking the cows and tending the farmland), its reclaimed by nature.

None if this "I planted my nations flag in it, do its now mine" brain and ball busting nonsense.

- ratting must happen ever hour
- all moons (there are a few too many duff ones) need a purpose and people managing them via active towers (managing these needs people living in tower)
- anoms must be treated much like incursions
- mining of roids to keep them from smashing into towers and outposts

Basically, just being the controlling power via actions rather than planting structures and grinding structures should be how it's done. Want a better harvest of the space? Pay a sov bill and get to grow better crops (build supers or mine better quality rocks).

Soon see a sov map that is real and not completely faked / bluff of empty unused space we are used to.

Good luck with your jump bridge networks when you only use 5 ~ 10 systems per region. No one should be spinning in stations when part of an alliance if space holding people.

Just too easy and boring to allow that to continue.

SOV grind is boring because shooting structures is boring.

Yeah, someone get a new horse, so we beat another one dead. Maybe if we get through enough horses PETA will start campaigning against CCP and we get both some laughs and a change of the sov system.

Dunno about that. Some guys I know went out a couple of weeks ago and literally reinforced every 401k structure in Venal in a couple of hours.

There was a party atmosphere on comms, there was a live TV feed so interested players who are not in 0.0 can see how stuff like this is done... (and of course we could watch ourselves on TV, which is probably clinically narcissistic)

and, oh yeah, there were 1300 of us including over 300 big things that move slow.

I sometimes tihnk that people don't really GET how big 0.0 alliances operate. The DRF did the same thing a couple of years ago when they attacked in Tribute. At their peak they could literally reinforce an entire region... all the towers, all the stations... everything. in a scope of one operation.

Grinding the structures isn't the slow part of it....at ALL... not when you work on a nullsec scale. It's the fact that actually *taking* a system means the enemy comes and fights and sometimes will keep fighting right down to the last stealth bomber. It means you're fighting over and over again to gain every inch.

OMG... that started sounding like how wars work....

see where I'm going? The SOV mechanics in themselves are fine. Working as intended. The part that gets demotivating is that you can't just steamroll through a region on a tidal wave of instant gratification, which is what a lot of EVE players seem to expect.

That said, I think SOV mechanics can be improved to add content to the game but I"m not unhappy at ALL with how they work. Some of you should have been around in the old days when SOV grinding really DID suck.

is that rustling sound i hear the sound of tinfoil folded in to the shape of a hat?

I don't know what you mean by "back in the day" but yeah, I do mean when DRF supers blotted out the sun and when they came the cyno effects didn't even slow down for 5 entire minutes...... both heaven and earth shook to the rumbling of their warp drives. I mean when we fought them tooth and nail in every system in Tribute despite them camping gates (literally) with 50 titans..... because the other 200 supers they had were reinforcing the station.

Did I lose heart? No. Not for a second. It was horrible that we were going to lose and we knew it.... That Goons left us twisting in the wind..... that the fail cascade of THE NC felt like the Russians had won EVE.... but it was also the most energizing thing I had ever experienced in EVE.... It was the game being drunk from the proverbial firehose. Every single day I couldn't wait to log on. Every single day I went roaming with epic FC's like PrayingMantis, who is now red to me but to whom I still owe a debt of gratittude for showing me optimism and for being my teacher.... how many FC's in the game have stared straight down the throat of the DRF monster and said, "YOU SHALLNOT PASS!!!!!"

It was a time of massive defeat, of massive growth... of massive change.

The most beautiful thing about this game is that you must understand that there is a difference between RL and game life. In the game, you are immortal. In the game, every defeat is a learning experience. In the game, there is no death, and therefore nothing to fear from life..... from living... from lapping up the guts of your frozen corpse in order to wake up (in RL) to log on and try it all again.

*hands behind back*

No.

Why all the Goon hate?

Goons are excellent at egging on window-lickers, and they do it because they can.

Null sec is the place for politics, strong groups build around solid structures and personages, there's no place for the weak and this is how Eve null sec ecosystem goes.

Being weak in Null means you're making yourself more enemies than good relationships, doesn't mean you have to blue everyone in order to maintain pvp/economical activities, your mates retention and entertainment while reinforcing position and respect, you have to find common interests at higher direction levels and accept compromises on both parts in order to survive to bigger sharks.

You can win a war without shooting a single round and without making someone leave it's "home", there's no interest for anyone null being a big blue playground safer than high sec, wars are good for many reasons including FC's/members training for different alliances with cheapo throwaway fleets, but if you are bad at this and thus weak, you will get back to high sec faster than you got to null.

But structure grinding? Jesus Christ, farming daily quests in Wow is that boring but at least in a real pvp server you can have some fun, in Eve structure grind is cyno, bridge, deploy protection, shoot shoot shoot zzzzzZZZZzzzz shoot, warp to titan/bridge restart.

Indeed amazingly fun...