Wormholes

So last night a few of us were in our WH messing around when we noticed a new Sig. So we warp over and check it out while doing this I see a couple of Buzzards headed in system on our hole.

We were low on people and only had some bombers so we took them out to the WH and waited. One of the Buzzards started trying to bait us so we figured why not and start launching torps. The Loki and the Proteus pops out but we were around 70k so we just kept hammer the buzzard which popped through the hole. Then we switched over to the loki till it popped through the hole.

At this point we were sort of over matched but figure we would keep messing around. I went and checked out the other hole it was a C3 with HS static I hunted down the tower checked the corp it was different guys we were playing with. So I checked their info looks like a large HS corp with most of their kills in Jita/Perimeter etc. while headed back to our hole I saw several more Proteus’s and a legion headed towards us.

At this point it was down to just myself and a friend so I picked the buzzard pilot sent him a priv conv said something like “hey thanks for the excitement good luck, but got to log.”


So my question is I know lots of people look down on people that bubble up don’t try and fight etc… We were willing but honestly 2 -3 Proteus, Loki, Legion several cov-ops against 3 bombers just seemed like a waste. We all have jobs so we called it a night and crashed. Just curious if we should have done something else ?

I know I will get all sorts of sarcastic answers but honestly we are trying to learn to pvp but while we have been in a WH for a long time our friends who started us on this game were total carebears :P


Thanks for all honest suggestion’s heck I was not sure what type of ships would even be good against that figuring we had 3 on wasting T3s would be worthless but is there something that would at least allow us to sting them more then little bombers ?

There's a definitive line between a good fight and suicide.

Don't let anyone talk trash for avoiding the latter.

This is how I've felt. Being a small corp, more often than not we roll into either a stupid easy gank or something too big to handle. I'm often roaming solo if corpies aren't online.

I'll happily throw a ship into the fire if I think I can at least take someone down with me. But I'm not much for completely suiciding my ship for no good reason.

WH fights can also be tough because while you may see X number of ships, you have no idea what else is cloaked in the system. I've fallen for traps (I am bad at PVP) where it seemed like a potentially good fight, only to see the HIC and remaining fleet on dscan 15 sec later.

Major props for bringing the bombers out. Most people would not even done that much. I want to pvp like the rest but I don't expect you to just through away isk because someone else says you are supposed to. Given your numbers, you did just about all you could. The idea of using cheap ships to kill expensive ships (even if you die) isn't a bad strategy either. Props for at least trying.


(btw, I was 'nearby' on another account. We thought maybe you guys might escalate the fight after you jumped into the bombers!!)

Being said Buzzard pilot, yes I was baiting you. I didn't have cap boosters for my ASB, or I more than likely would have likely destroyed at least one of your bombers. Good rule of thumb: Bomber vs Frigate, almost always a bad decision!

Yes, our fleet greatly outnumbered you, while over 50% of us decided "Three bombers? Not worth the effort" and remained up the chain. It was smart of you to disengage.

As for what you could have brought, literally anything besides a bomber. Warping in a tornado, naga, or oracle at range to the hole with sensor boosters would have won you the field. However, any engagement after that might have costed you ships.

Bringing a fight is better than not bringing a fight in w-space. If you expect to wellp horribly but still want to fight be sure to bring insured T1 ships, it's the single best cost-effective way to learn PVP.

Also follow the general rule of 7 in wormhole space. If you see 1 uncloaked ship you can expect 7 cloaked or hidden behind him. As such I think we showed 3 or 4 total? We had 26.

+ 2 hictors cuz I like pods <- the guy who generates the peremiter kills on his 3rd and 4th screens while waiting for dreads + large t3 fleets to to show up to buttXin wh space...

Glad to know my propaganda campaign is still working against nubs.

You never heard the age old "Those who fight and run away, live to fight another day"?

Tactical retreats are valid manoeuvres, and most losses in WH-Space are from people who didn't get to choose what they fought against. i.e. the aggressing party had the upper hand from first contact.

The fact remains that you did engage, and the more you engage the more confident you will become in what you can and cannot get away with. Those guys probably called you faggots on comms and beat their chests, but at the end of the day you didn't have the force to counter them with, and you didn't lose anything by feeling compelled to fight.

I see no harm done here.

I've said some pretty nasty things before just to get people to commit to a one-sided fight, or to ship up to shinies, but it's just psych warfare, only reason is to get a reaction out of them for some kills. I'm not actually shocked nor offended if they don't fall for it, and in your case, where neither side is being petty and you guys at least tested the waters, you seem like you did everything admirably.