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Dual Training Is A Rip Off

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#61 - 2013-05-17 12:34:52 UTC
Hey OP... don't like it? Then don't use it. You look silly running to the forums and bitching about something you don't plan on using anyway. It is very convenient to be honest. Will be useful to train cyno alts without having to make up a whole new account and keeping it running, then spending PLEX to transfer your character to the account anyway. It's not all about you OP. Blink
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#62 - 2013-05-17 12:35:08 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts

There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed

This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money

Shame on you

SHAME ON YOU


And whats wrong with a company trying to turn profits? More left wing liberal anti buisness complaints Roll

......................................................
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2013-05-17 12:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
nesdaq wrote:
of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice.
Oh wait, I don't have to pay character transfer fees (2 PLEX) to consolidate my characters.
Oh wait, I don't have to keep a second subscription (1 PLEX a month) just to retain access to my special-purpose character.
Oh wait, I don't have to open a second account, transfer the character over (2 PLEX), keep the account running (1–4 PLEX), then transfer the character back (2 PLEX) just because the special purpose the character was built for was massively changed in a patch and now requires a whole bunch of new skills trained up.

The new option is a bargain and a boon.
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#64 - 2013-05-17 12:39:25 UTC
RIP off? for CCP we are ripping them off.

Instead of not training a main for a few weeks to make 2 cyno chars, or simply transferring, or buying them, we apply a PLEX and get to train, and still use the account once the PLEX runs out.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2013-05-17 12:40:08 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts

There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed

This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money

Shame on you

SHAME ON YOU

This is an example, CCP, of what you do when you invite over-indulged, entitled types to you game about cold harsh dark stuff. Give an Inch, they are unsatisfied and demand a MILE.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#66 - 2013-05-17 12:41:57 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts


Unless for some wierd reason they happened to want, I don't know... a research alt to churn out BPCs for invention. An Alt like that takes less than a month to train but needs to be on an active account to function - therefore the ability to train it for one month on a second account slot without disrupting the training of the primary on the account is of value.

SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed


There is the technical issue of switching characters in-game (which is why we've never had in-game character switching), the fact that training three would provide an unfair advantage over those running two accounts...


Of course if you believe that an alt account is such vastly better value then there is nothing, to my knowledge, preventing you from utilising that option.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-05-17 13:22:05 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:


And what's wrong with a company trying to turn profits? More left wing liberal anti business complaints Roll

Sorry stupid doesn´t really do politics, it effect both side so don´t make assumptions

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#68 - 2013-05-17 13:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Here's my gift to you - a Hauler Alt that costs 2 PLEX. It can fly blockade runners, freighters and industrials, and has three jump clones!

Under the current system, it would cost at least twice as much. With same account training . . . just two PLEX!

(don't forget to plug in +3 implants right away, and remap at the appropriate points. It's actually 59 days, for some reason it's not reflecting the time savings from implants)

Skill plan for Hauler Alt

***Remapping (active) : i27 p17 c17 w17 m21***
1. Cybernetics I (20 minutes)
2. Hull Upgrades I (13 minutes, 20 seconds)
3. Hull Upgrades II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds)
4. Hull Upgrades III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds)
5. Hull Upgrades IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds)
6. Mechanics III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
7. Electronics IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
8. Engineering IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
9. Mechanics IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
10. Mechanics V (3 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, 52 seconds)
11. Energy Systems Operation I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
12. Energy Systems Operation II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
13. Energy Systems Operation III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
14. Energy Systems Operation IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
15. Energy Management I (20 minutes)
16. Energy Management II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)
17. Energy Management III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds)
18. Jury Rigging I (13 minutes, 20 seconds)
19. Jury Rigging II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds)
20. Jury Rigging III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds)
21. Astronautics Rigging I (20 minutes)
22. Astronautics Rigging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)
23. Armor Rigging I (20 minutes)
24. Armor Rigging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)
25. Cloaking I (40 minutes)
26. Cloaking II (3 hours, 6 minutes, 17 seconds)
27. Cloaking III (17 hours, 33 minutes, 42 seconds)
28. Cloaking IV (4 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes, 48 seconds)
29. Shield Management I (20 minutes)
30. Shield Management II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)
31. Shield Management III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds)
32. Tactical Shield Manipulation I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)
33. Tactical Shield Manipulation II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)
34. Shield Upgrades I (13 minutes, 20 seconds)
35. Shield Upgrades II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds)
36. Shield Upgrades III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds)
37. Shield Upgrades IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds)
38. Industry I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
39. Industry II (33 minutes, 46 seconds)
40. Industry III (3 hours, 10 minutes, 52 seconds)
41. Industry IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
42. Industry V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
***Remapping (active) : i27 p21 c17 w17 m17***
43. Navigation IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
44. Warp Drive Operation I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
45. Warp Drive Operation II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
46. Warp Drive Operation III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
47. Evasive Maneuvering I (13 minutes, 20 seconds)
48. Evasive Maneuvering II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds)
49. Evasive Maneuvering III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds)
50. Evasive Maneuvering IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds)
51. Afterburner I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
52. Afterburner II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
53. Afterburner III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
54. High Speed Maneuvering I (33 minutes, 20 seconds)
55. Acceleration Control I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)
56. Acceleration Control II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)
57. Acceleration Control III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds)
***Remapping (active) : i17 p27 c17 w21 m17***
58. Spaceship Command IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds)
59. Spaceship Command V (3 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, 52 seconds)
60. Advanced Spaceship Command I (33 minutes, 20 seconds)
61. Advanced Spaceship Command II (2 hours, 35 minutes, 15 seconds)
62. Advanced Spaceship Command III (14 hours, 38 minutes, 4 seconds)
63. Advanced Spaceship Command IV (3 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, 20 seconds)
64. Gallente Frigate III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds)
65. Gallente Industrial I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)
66. Gallente Industrial II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)
67. Gallente Industrial III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds)
68. Gallente Industrial IV (2 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes, 52 seconds)
69. Gallente Industrial V (15 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes, 28 seconds)
70. Gallente Freighter I (1 hour, 6 minutes, 40 seconds)
71. Gallente Freighter II (5 hours, 10 minutes, 28 seconds)
72. Gallente Freighter III (1 day, 5 hours, 16 minutes, 11 seconds)
73. Gallente Freighter IV (6 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes, 38 seconds)
74. Transport Ships I (43 minutes, 28 seconds)
75. Transport Ships II (3 hours, 22 minutes, 29 seconds)
76. Transport Ships III (19 hours, 5 minutes, 20 seconds)
77. Transport Ships IV (4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 7 seconds)
78. Infomorph Psychology I (9 minutes, 5 seconds)
79. Infomorph Psychology II (42 minutes, 21 seconds)
80. Infomorph Psychology III (3 hours, 59 minutes, 27 seconds)


28 unique skills, 80 skill levels; Total time: 67 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, 42 seconds

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#69 - 2013-05-17 13:41:30 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.


Tsk tsk, it's supposed to be our evil machinations but you are forgiven since it's casual Friday.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#70 - 2013-05-17 13:46:37 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts

There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed

This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money

Shame on you

SHAME ON YOU

Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP.


I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money

I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK

I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts

There is no logic to this at all


What do you use those six accounts for?

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Plyn
Uncharted.
#71 - 2013-05-17 14:20:02 UTC
Someone please close this thread.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-05-17 14:22:35 UTC
I think there there should be a discount do dual training. e.g. 1 plex = 40 days game time... but i guess if you don't like it, don't buy it.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#73 - 2013-05-17 14:23:51 UTC
Why are so many people struggling to see the many awesomely convenient applications of this?

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Surumi Fujikawa
Iron Inquisition
Hisec Miners
#74 - 2013-05-17 16:37:03 UTC
Seems like a fantastic idea to me.

I have an account dedicated to doing nothing but creating research alts to cram into the empty spaces in my other accounts. With this i would actually save money by not having to transfer as many characters or keep the factory account going for as long.

also i would get to where i want to be 4x faster than i currently am. It would cost me a few bucks, but i really dont care.

And having 30 invention capable research slots, a bunch of manufacturing slots i'll actually never use, 3x the PI potential per account, and 15 research agent slots that are shortly going to be nerfed is an amazing thing to behold.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-05-17 16:40:59 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Why are so many people struggling to see the many awesomely convenient applications of this?




Because they thought they could train more than one character on the same account for free (free as in no isk and no PLEX).

I'm sure they can see the benefit, they just would have liked it to go further.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#76 - 2013-05-17 16:41:14 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts

There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed

This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money

Shame on you

SHAME ON YOU


Contract me all of your in-game belongings and ISK, then hit the biomass button.... it's the only way to stop CCP from taking all your money!

I. for one, think CCP should offer as many optional services as they can.... more money for CCP means more EVE awesomeness for me.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#77 - 2013-05-17 16:41:58 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts


Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.

Quote:
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed


So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then.

You are a particularly bad troll...


You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time....Oops

And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#78 - 2013-05-17 16:43:44 UTC
Interesting things about products you find too expensive...
Don't use them.

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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-05-17 16:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts


Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.

Quote:
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed


So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then.

You are a particularly bad troll...


You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time....Oops

And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....



I don't think you understand how alts are used. I'm going to use this to train about 4 freighter pilots for logistics stuff. Instead of costing me either a month of training on 4 accounts that are busy with other things I can just pay about 2b and be done with it.

Don't need separate accounts for that.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-05-17 16:51:33 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts


Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.

Quote:
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed


So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then.

You are a particularly bad troll...


You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time....Oops

And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....





Not all alts are equal, just depends what you want to use that alt for. You are right about still needing another account for your alt if you want it in the game with your main. But there are other types of alt that don't require your main to be online so for this type it's a welcome change, trader is a good example.