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It could be possible but the colors seem to change as soon as you click on a can. Not sure if that's from a users standpoint or for everyone. Using 2 accounts might work in having them spread out so you don't need move around much to grab the ones that get away. However you will need to be fast with 2 accounts to do it.

Also just as an FYI the sites aren't all setup yet hence the placement of things being all kinds of odd in some cases and a rather easy version of the hacking being the only thing there.

arcade game not for me, thanks CCP

At least, have the mini cans appear on overview. That would alleviate part of the camera and aiming issues.

Besides, I usually use completely custom brackets in space, and I was forced to use "show all brackets" to see the cans. That's a problem to me, I'd rather have the option to add the brackets to my "looting" overview tab without having every structure's icon appear at the same time. But maybe that's already in the plans and not finished yet.

I ran a null sec data and relic site. 18m loot from both sites combined. The loot was easier to grab as for the low sec sites that i did because there was no collison object in the way. Disabling the tracking camera also helped.
Right now the mechanic allows to peak into the containers before hacking so you see whats actualy in there. Saw it range from like 20 to 60m for null sec site. That would sound about right for a single person. But it's just the ideal case. In reality you can only grab how much of that when you're alone? 30%?
So loot should be adjusted accordingly. The bad thing is with poor loot as it is now not many will be inclined to do profession sites for a living. It takes too long and not worth risking ship and pod over it in dangerous waters. Adjust the loot however and i can see how it gets abused for easy farming by nullsec regulars and multiboxers.
Since the sites are in signatures and rats have been removed it would be safer and more profitable then mining.

My idea for how to deal with this would be to tier the profession sites like combat sites. The harder sites need a higher skill threshold to break the core in relative safety and certainty (you can add virus strenght bonuses to existing skills like racial encryption methods) and unpleasent surprises if you mess it up. So they can't be easily farmed by low skill casual explorers.

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The new grafic is pretty. I take there are yet no difficulty settings, I mean, you can't even loose if you want.

I could get 25-40% of the cans (impression, i did'nt count), dependig who wins the struggle between me and the camera, I got better at it after a few tries.

The loots are awful. Lots of useless crap, and some also require quite some space (and you can't loot selectively), I'd rather have empty cans then stuff I would jettinson anyway. For a lowsec hacking site (5 cans) I barely got 1 mil. Since the changes I have yet to find blueprints or really valuable stuff (i'd say I've done 4-5 sites).
I find that a solo player shoulb be able to make as much profit as before, if you bring a friend you should still make profit out of it; finally exploration is not for lone wolfs anymore.

It would be nice to know about rumored npc spawn, if you are supposed to do stuff in a frigate then cans can move fast but have small items inside. If you are supposed to bring bigger ships cans should be a bit slower.
I've played with a buzzard + AB (850m/s ish) and It felt ok, with another friend i guess we could catch the most of the cans.


I find reward should be related to involvement and time required. If you can nullsec rat or run l4 missions (both solo) and make more money than exploration, where you have to fly around, scan sites, hack stuff (and now bring friends), the reward should be appropriate.
Rewards pro person pro site imho should be like:
high sec: 5-30 mils
lowsec: 30-100 mils
nullsec: 70-500 mils (and I already had 500+mils jackpot-sites in the past)

As this is the appropriate place for feedback, I'll post this here, too. Did I mention that I really hate the loot ejection? As a professional, I'd just cram a jetcan on the airlock and have it catch all the stuff.


Make the hacking more a rogue-like and scrap the loot piñata:

You go through a layer of the system and when you find and hack the core of the layer, you can go in deeper. The deeper you get, the more loot will be deposited in the structure container once you log out. If your virus crashes, you lose all loot and the system is locked from further hacking attempts.

Other players can add themselves to your 'adventuring party' by boosting your virus and maybe bringing special abilities along. That could be done with a remotely activated module either using the command link mechanics or a targeted module. Depending on the module (or script) it varies the effect on the targeted hacker.

So if you have good skills for a good hacking module, you can get deeper and get more rewards. If you have people boosting you, you have more power to go deeper or succeed where you would fail otherwise.

Ship inertia and a 1hz server tick do not make the loot pinata enjoyable and a static container with loot depending on your success in the mini game is a more balanced, coherent and rewarding experience, imho.

After testing this I don't like the new changes at all.

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I also thought there would be some decisions necessary during the process in the way there was playing DXHR; but there aren't. You just click every node randomly until you happen to find the one that matters. This adds nothing but tedious clicking to the game.

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Why do you think that making us click on little icons that are moving away in random directions makes exploration fun? It reminds me of simplistic arcade games like Asteroids or perhaps Missile Command. It has no place in a game like Eve, and doesn't do anything except add tedious clicking to the game.

In conclusion: This isn't progress; it's a few steps backwards. These new features don't make the game more fun, nor do they test our skill; they just add tedious clicking to the game. Please don't include these changes in Odyssey.

All right just tried a few of these out and other than what has been said already here one thing really stood out and that is the scatter mechanic is awful for those using a laptop trackpad. This mechanic felt like it was entirely developed with a mouse, for a mouse, with only a mouse in mind. That's just not going to cut it with so many people moving to laptops.

Normally targeting is no problem whit a trackpad since in PVP (and PVE) you're just going down a list in the overview. But the "twitching" and movement that was needed to grab these cans was way too fast and overwhelming for the relatively slower movement you get with a built in trackpad. I think this is going to put laptop players (who are not at a desk) at real disadvantage in exploration, something that hasn't ben true until now.

My biggest argument for the mechanics is that it prevents multi-boxers from making the most of the sites. As long as they can continue to do this, I am happy and all for it. But as a multi-boxer, the current mechanics throughout the game that don't reward actual simultaneous teamwork, I am entirely against.

More mechanics need to be added which enforce actual teamwork (not solo-teamwork). If one player can loot enough to equal previous rewards, that's fine. But if three players, working simultaneously and not multi-boxed or run by bots, can get the same rewards each, that is also good.

As the system currently stands on sisi, the other players only help catch loot. Still coming up short.