Crime & Punishment

I would just like to say as a former diplomat of various Wormhole groups, I have worked pretty closely with Seraph over the past few months and during his time as diplo of bombers bar he helped me work out multiple wspace operations with bombers, something mostly unprecedented. These operations, lead and organized by Seraph, gained him much respect in the wormhole community, and I would be more then willing to vouch for his reputation and the work he did for the bar.

I would just like to say as a former diplomat of various Wormhole groups, I have worked pretty closely with Seraph over the past few months and during his time as diplo of bombers bar he helped me work out multiple wspace operations with bombers, something mostly unprecedented. These operations, lead and organized by Seraph, gained him much respect in the wormhole community, and I would be more then willing to vouch for his reputation and the work he did for the bar.

And there were two major contracts. One in Tribute...which was fulfilled as was the Querious one. I don't remember, were you active there vs NCdot renters or Li3?

Seraph did not start bombers bar at all. Vengance inc. and Templeman N started Bombers Bar. He was an early member to the bar, who also thought he contributed more to the bar than he actually did. He only contributed to the bar when it furthered his own goals in game. This attitude is not what Bombers Bar is about, as we are mainly about having fun and providing an experience for bomber pilots. He was banned from Bombers Bar for many reasons though the main reason is because his presence was impacting the bar in a negative way.

What had transpired was that Ezek contacted NA applicants that had been rejected or ignored. The two cases that Alek brought to me personally, I think a much more classy thing to do than this with all do respect, were contacted in January and they became members of NA several months after the fact. So I have to ask the question, if we ask someone to join Hades Effect, and 3 months later they join NA, does that count as an attempt at poaching as you call it? I would say this is an unreasonable standard.

On the term "ex noir", I think about three years ago after I had been playing for a month or two I asked Alek if I could join NA even though I could only fly T1 frigs. He said that I was and that it would be no problem...until it was which for some reason happened. I was "kicked" out of NA after I had failed to post a Tristan (IIRC) loss mail. I wasn't familiar with the system. I was allowed back in but decided to part with NA after I had real life matters to attend to. So no, nobody actually kicked me. I had a 1 on 1 conversation with Alek where we left on good terms and I was offered a chance to re-apply when I had returned.

1. That's not the case, Ezek was camping the section of our forums where recruits put applications and trying to ninja them off there because he "saw they had interest in mercenary work." Very cheeky, and this would be about the 5th different story you've concocted to try to explain yourselves.

2. That may have been the case for your first boot, but the second one was for attitude problems. Not RL, you had no conversation with me, Nidia Masters handled NA. at that time and left rather unflattering notes about your conduct. You have never been welcome back into our organization Noir. will you ever be shy of some kind of spergectomy

What attitude problem?