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Woot, woot. Now even easier to get out of a war dec.

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Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#341 - 2013-05-16 02:22:37 UTC
Griefer tears best tears.

Seriously though, for a bunch of forum gladiators a few of you seem to be letting them go in bucket.


-You're not a pirate. You're a Griefing Carebear.
Lyza Kimbo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2013-05-16 04:26:43 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you change the rules about NPC corps and wars, the player will play a different game for the duration of the war.

Bottom line: You cannot force someone to log in. For many players PvP combat is a big pile of stress they just do not want in their life, much less in a recreational activity, and they will avoid it.


Hopefully you and them can find a game that better caters to your desire for risk-free gameplay with no consequences for your choices.


Sandbox sweetie. I always wonder why people treat one method of play as the single only legit and ruling style while others are invalid.
PvP'ing/Dec is someone's playstyle, while avoiding a wardec is also just another playstyle.


Because he's a goon, and goons have always been about being the biggest possible assholes. They glory in it. They always have, since the very beginning.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2013-05-16 04:37:46 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Mara Villoso wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Mara Villoso wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Wardecs should follow players until the war ends.

Never. Permagriefing is the only result of that.


The only griefing were is avoiding wardecs with this system. At least make them pay the cost of the wardec to leave the corporation.

And if the wardec is never dropped nor surrender accepted?


Obvious, the War continues.


Yes because CCP is really going to let you force people to unsub their accounts, I think they value keeping subscribers over allowing you to grief people out of the game.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#344 - 2013-05-16 04:46:22 UTC
I think low & null are good for pew pew, just thinking out loud. Here's a thought, make it cheaper and make it so you can war-dec only larger corps. The bigger groups will have all the pew pew they want. Lol

Empire, the next new world order.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#345 - 2013-05-16 04:52:26 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Yes because CCP is really going to let you force people to unsub their accounts, I think they value keeping subscribers over allowing you to grief people out of the game.


The wardec shouldn't stay with you permanently until they stop paying, but it should stay with you for a certain amount of time. This is a game about consequences, not about clicking a button to opt out of it.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#346 - 2013-05-16 04:55:03 UTC
Lyza Kimbo wrote:
Because he's a goon, and goons have always been about being the biggest possible assholes. They glory in it. They always have, since the very beginning.


Yeah uh I haven't killed a single ship in hisec for over a year, on any of my characters. It's not my particular game, but I don't really care for the subset of players who want to play EVE in their own little bubble where nobody can possibly touch them except for fringe cases like suicide ganks (which have been nerfed into oblivion, and further nerfs are a question of 'when' rather than 'if')

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2013-05-16 12:04:23 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
QuakeGod wrote:
Sorry, but CCP will never make EVE into a PVP everywhere 24/7 no-holds barred slaughterfest, no matter how many of you nullsec elitist's wish it was that way.

Except that's exactly what it was many many years ago.

No its never been a FFA slaughterfest.

There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.

Some of the things you could do to non-pvprs in later years would likely have been nerfed hard in the early years when subs were low.

I love killing industrialists but I dont feel they should not be able to avoid wars. Its their game, their money and with a bit of intelligent selection of target to dec you can really just disregard the ones who are pure anti-pvp.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#348 - 2013-05-16 12:08:23 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.
LMAO no.
Automatic and mechanical protection of carebears have seen almost yearly increases and never once gone down.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#349 - 2013-05-16 12:09:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
QuakeGod wrote:
Sorry, but CCP will never make EVE into a PVP everywhere 24/7 no-holds barred slaughterfest, no matter how many of you nullsec elitist's wish it was that way.

Except that's exactly what it was many many years ago.

No its never been a FFA slaughterfest.

There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.

Some of the things you could do to non-pvprs in later years would likely have been nerfed hard in the early years when subs were low.

I love killing industrialists but I dont feel they should not be able to avoid wars. Its their game, their money and with a bit of intelligent selection of target to dec you can really just disregard the ones who are pure anti-pvp.


In the early years of EVE you had the most deadly pirate corp EVE has ever known. They used to tank concord.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#350 - 2013-05-16 12:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Infinity Ziona wrote:
(1) There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.

Some of the things you could do to non-pvprs in later years would likely have been nerfed hard in the early years when subs were low.

(2)I love killing industrialists but I dont feel they should not be able to avoid wars. Its their game, their money and with a bit of intelligent selection of target to dec you can really just disregard the ones who are pure anti-pvp.

Okay Tippia and baltec already answered but I want to do it too!

(1) Back in those years, CCP wouldn't even consider some of the safety-oriented changes they make on a whim today. CONCORD tanking might have been one thing, but what I call "The Great Decline" didn't begin until they nerfed the Privateers around...2007 I think?

(2) Sure, they should be able to avoid wars. As long as they can't do it by, you know, simply hitting a button that prevents hostilities. Counter-bribing CONCORD (just an example, I'm not actually advocating this) is a terrible idea for a game mechanic, but would still be infinitely better than what CCP has been doing, and has yet in store for the future.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#351 - 2013-05-16 23:42:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.
LMAO no.
Automatic and mechanical protection of carebears have seen almost yearly increases and never once gone down.

I disagree. CCP was very quick to respond to "fixing" loopholes and exploits that allowed you to kill industrialists in the earlier years.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#352 - 2013-05-17 00:02:50 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.
LMAO no.
Automatic and mechanical protection of carebears have seen almost yearly increases and never once gone down.

I disagree. CCP was very quick to respond to "fixing" loopholes and exploits that allowed you to kill industrialists in the earlier years.

There's a difference between fixing loopholes and exploits, and doing stuff like decreasing CONCORD response times, increasing sec status penalties, reclassifying war evasion as allowed game play, making can theft flag you to the whole universe instead of just the owning corporation, etc etc. I could really go on and on and on about this, and in fact, I have in the past.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
To Be Me
Doomheim
#353 - 2013-05-17 00:31:11 UTC
for the most people on a 1 man and alts corp, they could even just close the corp and create new one if wardecd if you dont care about corp standings lol

gonna be fun to see how it goes with this 24 hour delay removed

thumbs up if you like :))))
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#354 - 2013-05-17 01:05:42 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There has always been a pvp vs carebear balancing act since I started back in 2003. In fact the earlier EvE universe was quite a bit more protective of carebears then mid and later years.
LMAO no.
Automatic and mechanical protection of carebears have seen almost yearly increases and never once gone down.

I disagree. CCP was very quick to respond to "fixing" loopholes and exploits that allowed you to kill industrialists in the earlier years.

There's a difference between fixing loopholes and exploits, and doing stuff like decreasing CONCORD response times, increasing sec status penalties, reclassifying war evasion as allowed game play, making can theft flag you to the whole universe instead of just the owning corporation, etc etc. I could really go on and on and on about this, and in fact, I have in the past.

You make a good point. Fair enough.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#355 - 2013-05-17 01:19:04 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You can't force me to undock, so no, you can't blow up my ships or stop me from running jobs at my POS.

If you don't undock, I blow up your POS without interference.


Have fun. Hope you bring a few friends to take out my high sec large POS that is packed with hardeners and guns.


And then I'll just put up a new one.


^^That^^ is itself, a choice, which carries its own consequences, as all choices in EVE do.

Whether you want to admit or not OP, you're playing EVE the way it's meant to be played.

Your problem is, that you seem to think that you're entitled to play in a "solo-bubble," as is re-enforced by most, if not all, other MMOs currently in existence (egregious examples, WoW and SW: tOR).

EVE is not most other MMOs. CCP (I think/hope/pray) knows this, which is why they are never going to structure it around your generic-MMO-built mindset (at least as long as Greyscale is kept well the f away from any major design-level decisions, but I'm digressing).

Harden up and play EVE, or contract to me all your stuff in the Empire-space station of your choice.

Ni.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#356 - 2013-05-17 01:25:26 UTC
WoW isn't even a good example for that type of argument to be honest, because in order to get anywhere aside from the level cap, you're pretty much obligated to interact with other people.

Meanwhile, in EVE, a bear is able to train skills and grind away his asteroids or damsels without talking to anyone ever, and only interacting with others, indirectly, on a rare occasion through the market interface.

EVE is actually worse in this aspect.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#357 - 2013-05-17 02:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
baltec1 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:

is there still a 24 hour timer for war decs?

if so CCP should remove them so war decs are instant, for the next expansion to offset the insta leaving corps in EVE..


Yes, there is still a 24 hour timer.

Result of removing the timer would be that all carebears would quit, CCP would suffer a massive revenue drop, and they'd be bankrupt. I kind o' doubt that is their plan.


We could lose every carebear and carry on just fine. They are entirely replaceable.


I'm agreeing with a goon. I freaking hate goons, for the most part. But: ^^thisthisthisthisthisthis!!!^^

The carebear --I don't mean the "right" kind of carebear for EVE, I mean the more typical generic, unthinking, shambling, permanently-embubbled (<---- is that a real word? Well, it is now!) parasite-- is completely forgettable, non-contributing to our community in any meaningful fashion over anything like the long-term, 100% expendable, and as stated, 100% replaceable.

I mean, really: I'm sure hard numbers for this exist somewhere, but it would seem that for every crybear that posts another "I QUIT!!!" thread, you got like 10 more coming in, then they quit, then 10 more for every one of those comes in, and then....Well: Let's just say that that is why I --quite cynically-- hope that games like WoW and clones don't die, TBQFH)

(And just so we're clear, ^^that^^ is coming from a somewhat carebear-ish player. In hindsight, I'm very glad that EVE-O was/is my first full-time MMOG.)

Ni.
Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2013-05-17 02:18:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
How about lets say 30 minutes maybe? Just to prevent the easy to forsee "dec on gate".


Well, since you can easily drop corp the moment the wardec mail gets in, shrug it off like it's absolutely nothing and get back to farming broken incursions and L4s, wardecs are irrelevant with any timer

The timer's got to go. EVE is supposed to be dangerous, not cuddly and safe.


Still beating that bold, dead horse?

Eve is as safe as the players make it, but truthfully, after spending some time in nulsec, I still felt safer there than in hisec. I actually got bored farming in nulsec because it was so quiet out there, think I saw one neutral in one month of play.

Hi.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#359 - 2013-05-17 02:27:25 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:

is there still a 24 hour timer for war decs?

if so CCP should remove them so war decs are instant, for the next expansion to offset the insta leaving corps in EVE..


Yes, there is still a 24 hour timer.

Result of removing the timer would be that all carebears would quit, CCP would suffer a massive revenue drop, and they'd be bankrupt. I kind o' doubt that is their plan.


We could lose every carebear and carry on just fine. They are entirely replaceable.


I'm agreeing with a goon. I freaking hate goons, for the most part. But: ^^thisthisthisthisthisthis!!!^^

The carebear --I don't mean the "right" kind of carebear for EVE, I mean the more typical generic, unthinking, shambling, permanently-embubbled (<---- is that a real word? Well, it is now!) parasite-- is completely forgettable, non-contributing to our community in any meaningful fashion over anything like the long-term, 100% expendable, and as stated, 100% replaceable.

I mean, really: I'm sure hard numbers for this exist somewhere, but it would seem that for every crybear that posts another "I QUIT!!!" thread, you got like 10 more coming in, then they quit, then 10 more for every one of those comes in, and then....Well: Let's just say that that is why I --quite cynically-- hope that games like WoW and clones don't die, TBQFH)

(And just so we're clear, ^^that^^ is coming from a somewhat carebear-ish player. In hindsight, I'm very glad that EVE-O was/is my first full-time MMOG.


Reading your posts reminds me of when I was about 6-9 months old and trying to fit in with the 'hardened' Eve players. Needless to say, it is quite amusing.

You'll learn. Maybe.

John Hancock
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#360 - 2013-05-17 02:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:

is there still a 24 hour timer for war decs?

if so CCP should remove them so war decs are instant, for the next expansion to offset the insta leaving corps in EVE..


Yes, there is still a 24 hour timer.

Result of removing the timer would be that all carebears would quit, CCP would suffer a massive revenue drop, and they'd be bankrupt. I kind o' doubt that is their plan.


We could lose every carebear and carry on just fine. They are entirely replaceable.


I'm agreeing with a goon. I freaking hate goons, for the most part. But: ^^thisthisthisthisthisthis!!!^^

The carebear --I don't mean the "right" kind of carebear for EVE, I mean the more typical generic, unthinking, shambling, permanently-embubbled (<---- is that a real word? Well, it is now!) parasite-- is completely forgettable, non-contributing to our community in any meaningful fashion over anything like the long-term, 100% expendable, and as stated, 100% replaceable.

I mean, really: I'm sure hard numbers for this exist somewhere, but it would seem that for every crybear that posts another "I QUIT!!!" thread, you got like 10 more coming in, then they quit, then 10 more for every one of those comes in, and then....Well: Let's just say that that is why I --quite cynically-- hope that games like WoW and clones don't die, TBQFH)

(And just so we're clear, ^^that^^ is coming from a somewhat carebear-ish player. In hindsight, I'm very glad that EVE-O was/is my first full-time MMOG.


Reading your posts reminds me of when I was about 6-9 months old and trying to fit in with the 'hardened' Eve players. Needless to say, it is quite amusing.

You'll learn. Maybe.


So....

Why have you dropped so many corps. in a fairly short time-frame, Jimmy?

Most of which appear to be bog-standard carebear outfits?

Too many "OMGGRIEVER!!!111" types cramping your style?

E:

I don't need to fit in with anyone, mate: That's the fundamental beauty of EVE, although the specifics of that seem to be beyond most of you.

When you grow up, you might begin to understand what that really means in the context of EVE-O.

Next!

Ni.