Crime & Punishment

Congrats on being two people in a twelve-man gang. That is totally a successful Hades Effect "hot drop".

As for your other BS, I will post the following:



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If there had been roams and operations, I would have been there. I specifically remember being in a Falcon for you guys in Syndicate during your first (and only) contract. A contract, I will add, in which you claimed "we've brokered a deal between our contractor and our targets and they are now blue". In reality, there was nothing that happened. You were blueballed and you didn't like it, so you called it quits.

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I wouldn't be welcomed back? :'(

yeah that pretty much burned both your bridge as well as Ezek's. Sorry mate, like you but unfortunately we're judged by the company we keep as well as our actions.

Actually, I just went over what you meant. Realized you meant Noir Academy, which I had left of my own volition on Quendishir to join a friend's corp in high sec. :P

Either way, water under the bridge. It doesn't change what I said from truth to a lie. I think we've seen already that much is true.

As for why I didn't take out my own roams: I tried. They were co-opted by you, Seraph. You tend to do that when you get on: co-opt a roam and claim it as your own. You flaunt the fact you're CEO and everybody bet get behind you on that. I don't march to your drum, bud. Never have. You need to prove yourself, and quite frankly you never did.

Hello. Nice to hear from you again. I'm disappointed you've taken the misinformation you have been fed to heart and I hope that you would be willing to at least hear reason. I'll be thorough and I hope that I don't lose you in the details. If I do by all means let me know and I will do my best to explain. So here goes...

I'm pretty sure I haven't been as much of a nuisance to ISD as you make it out to be. The thread is pretty young post number wise and it has never been locked before, nor have I ever had any threads locked, let alone bi-weekly. You must have me confused. I'm more and more convinced of this with your claim that I have some sort of history on Eve-O. I'm a fairly inconsistent poster and most of my interests on the forum have been on the Marmite thread or a few game design suggestions.

As for making any game plan about sniping members from Noir, first I have to ask if Noir has come to such a situation that it needs to worry about any corp being able to steal their members let alone our new project. I think you over estimate us. But in all truth there was no game plan to do such a thing. At around 19 minutes Crazy makes mention of pulling some ex noir and noir guys. This was in reference to the members in Noir who would have been staying in Black Legion. At the time Noir was in Black Legion and a few members, from my understanding, remained there. In any case I don't see a problem with Crazy offering some of his friends the option of joining a new corp he was helping build. Do people have no choice to play where they want? Do you really feel insecure that a corp that was just starting out would steal your members? If so perhaps the concern should be considered internally. If someone else can offer your members something better that you cannot provide, the problem lies with you. But we both know that is not the case as Noir has a long history in merc services.

What had transpired was that Ezek contacted NA applicants that had been rejected or ignored. The two cases that Alek brought to me personally, I think a much more classy thing to do than this with all do respect, were contacted in January and they became members of NA several months after the fact. So I have to ask the question, if we ask someone to join Hades Effect, and 3 months later they join NA, does that count as an attempt at poaching as you call it? I would say this is an unreasonable standard.

Some facts are misplaced unfortunately. I don't think I referred to Hades Effect wanting to be "the PL of stealth bombers." I think that was Ezek speaking. I'm not British. And what was meant about this was the ability to mobilize quickly. So if your favorite part is when we wish to adhere to PL's nomadic style and ability to project themselves, great for you.

On the term "ex noir", I think about three years ago after I had been playing for a month or two I asked Alek if I could join NA even though I could only fly T1 frigs. He said that I was and that it would be no problem...until it was which for some reason happened. I was "kicked" out of NA after I had failed to post a Tristan (IIRC) loss mail. I wasn't familiar with the system. I was allowed back in but decided to part with NA after I had real life matters to attend to. So no, nobody actually kicked me. I had a 1 on 1 conversation with Alek where we left on good terms and I was offered a chance to re-apply when I had returned.

I don't need to speak for Ezek but the guy pretty much lead your killboard for like a month straight. You can belittle him all you want but I don't think that it will render much benefit to your argument.

Congrats to Crazy for his 9 months of service in Noir. But nobody is dropping Noir's name for any benefit. While I respect Noir's history, I don't exactly require the association.

Concerning the matter of bombers bar, I am flattered you think I started it but I did not. I was a humble contributor last year and withdrew from participating with the group more and more due to class work. As for the rest, I don't think you have the perspective to speak credibly.

So to recap, Ezek spoke with some people in JANUARY that were ignored/rejected by Noir, and some of them put applications into Noir MONTHS LATER. This to your leader constitutes as poaching. I don't think anyone can reasonably agree.





You never answered anything brought up to you but I will continue on with your other claims. The only roam you ever tried to do was a poorly planned "no falcon cuz i'm a space samurai bushido ninja" op where the targets were not even logged on. THAT'S ALL. Nothing else. And i've never flaunted my being CEO. Rather i've always looked for advice from others and I've always let people speak their mind, even immaturely at times as you have done.

I think I contributed enough behind the scenes to get some things off the ground. Of course sitting 30 off a bubble and telling people to decloak in 30 on 1 engagements perhaps seems more active to some. But that's neither here or there. My goals for the bar was to apply what was done in HED-GP on a meaningful level, actual pvp combat. People who preferred to run sites and incursions were bothered by that because of the possibility of retaliation. So I left, I wanted a pvp corp.

I'm not sure what negative impact I could have had when I haven't even been able to be active for the past 3 or so months due to class work. The accusation for the ban was because I jokingly spoke with Myo about shooting at a bomber bar fleet, something both Myo and I know was the case. And this was a trumped up charge by people like you and others who would benefit from it. You more or less admitted so much. Most of the people who "voted" on the matter were not shown any evidence nor were all the council members even present to vote.

Thank you for your contribution Anna. Always love the content.

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by his presence was having a negative impact?

I promoted the bar through writing and diplomacy. I was not as active at FCing as Temp but I did my part when I could. Again sitting 30 off a bubble day after day can get old.

And there were two major contracts. One in Tribute...which was fulfilled as was the Querious one. I don't remember, were you active there vs NCdot renters or Li3?

I left Venga and I had people follow me that had joined Venga because they thought it was a full blown merc corp. Due to different people pulling in different directions, that never happened. And how many people do I have in HE from Venga? Have you ever stopped to look? There was never any goal to steal anyone, there were only people I recruited in Venga specifically for merc contract work and who followed me out due to that.



But obviously little comprehended.