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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#41 - 2013-05-16 19:09:57 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
How many SP do you lose if you run a jump clone with lets say cheap +3 insetad of running your +5? I don't know the exact formula but it's only a difference of like 6 per seconds for 24 hours? If I am right with 6/secs, then you would lose about half a million SP. Something tells me I am way off for some reason... PLZ help me any of you math wizzards.


4320 SP 'loss' per 24 hours between +3 and +5.
Kult Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-05-16 19:11:16 UTC
It's no big deal for players who can afford to lose isk. You can't so much with a million isk and a head with no implants.


Flying around with millions of isk in your pod, it's like flying a shuttle full of plex in faction warfare.

All the pvp fools are saying "go ahead fly, don't be scared" which really means "yeah more awesome LEET kills"

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-16 19:11:40 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
[quote=Domanique Altares]So you suggest leaving the NPC corp to get jump clones, it's always been the case before that if you leave an NPC starter corp to join a player corp when you leave that player corp you end up in a different NPC corp. So what makes you think I want to be in a different NPC corp?

Or has this changed and I didn't get the memo?
It has not changed, you won't be able to get back to RMS.

But then, you are 8 month old - it really isn't that long (or hard) to get to 8.0 standing with one corp. E.g. you can easily get 8.0 with RMS in less than a month, just create an alt account and rerun the tutorials a couple of times while being fleeted.

And then, there are several people offering free Rorqual clones - no standing required.

Finally, you should not put in your head what you cannot afford to lose. If you put 5's in your head, either have another 500 millions lying around or be ready to buy another PLEX when you get podded. If that's a big deal for you then you should not be flying with them. (And you can get podded in high-sec also.)




Well don't go by the birth date, you could knock two months off of that as I didn't sub for two months whilst out of the country, didn't have long enough skills to train at the time.

I know had more than 8.0 on other characters in the past.

My circumstances are such that I can afford to lose what I wear and fly, but as usual I'm not just thinking about me in my present circumstances. I'm not a, I'm all right, tough luck mate type of person.

But I do remember years back when implants did stop me doing a lot of things, mainly because when you're newish there's so much to train and a lot of the early content becomes boring really fast. That may have changed slightly with things like exploration/scanning but it's still a lot of skills you have to wade through to be able to do more useful and rewarding things. Hence you don't really want to part with those implants that cost quite a bit compared to your income. Of course we don't have learning skill books anymore which is a help, but even when they took those out I didn't think that was enough.

So yeah I really do think learning implants should go and should have gone when the learning skill books went. Maybe replace them with different types of implants that do not effect training.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-05-16 19:14:44 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
How many SP do you lose if you run a jump clone with lets say cheap +3 insetad of running your +5? I don't know the exact formula but it's only a difference of like 6 per seconds for 24 hours? If I am right with 6/secs, then you would lose about half a million SP. Something tells me I am way off for some reason... PLZ help me any of you math wizzards.


4320 SP 'loss' per 24 hours between +3 and +5.


Many thinks for correcting my WAY OFF math.

4k SP? That guy is bitching about a grand loss of 4k SP????
Kult Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-05-16 19:17:52 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Thomas Builder wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
[quote=Domanique Altares]So you suggest leaving the NPC corp to get jump clones, it's always been the case before that if you leave an NPC starter corp to join a player corp when you leave that player corp you end up in a different NPC corp. So what makes you think I want to be in a different NPC corp?

Or has this changed and I didn't get the memo?
It has not changed, you won't be able to get back to RMS.

But then, you are 8 month old - it really isn't that long (or hard) to get to 8.0 standing with one corp. E.g. you can easily get 8.0 with RMS in less than a month, just create an alt account and rerun the tutorials a couple of times while being fleeted.

And then, there are several people offering free Rorqual clones - no standing required.

Finally, you should not put in your head what you cannot afford to lose. If you put 5's in your head, either have another 500 millions lying around or be ready to buy another PLEX when you get podded. If that's a big deal for you then you should not be flying with them. (And you can get podded in high-sec also.)




Well don't go by the birth date, you could knock two months off of that as I didn't sub for two months whilst out of the country, didn't have long enough skills to train at the time.

I know had more than 8.0 on other characters in the past.

My circumstances are such that I can afford to lose what I wear and fly, but as usual I'm not just thinking about me in my present circumstances. I'm not a, I'm all right, tough luck mate type of person.

But I do remember years back when implants did stop me doing a lot of things, mainly because when you're newish there's so much to train and a lot of the early content becomes boring really fast. That may have changed slightly with things like exploration/scanning but it's still a lot of skills you have to wade through to be able to do more useful and rewarding things. Hence you don't really want to part with those implants that cost quite a bit compared to your income. Of course we don't have learning skill books anymore which is a help, but even when they took those out I didn't think that was enough.

So yeah I really do think learning implants should go and should have gone when the learning skill books went. Maybe replace them with different types of implants that do not effect training.




Maybe trainable skills that up attributes? I think implants are the hinge pin for a lot of missioners LP though. It would absolutely destroy the markets and people would biomass.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#46 - 2013-05-16 19:19:38 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
It's no big deal for players who can afford to lose isk. You can't so much with a million isk and a head with no implants.


Flying around with millions of isk in your pod, it's like flying a shuttle full of plex in faction warfare.

All the pvp fools are saying "go ahead fly, don't be scared" which really means "yeah more awesome LEET kills"

Eh. Seriously, I've not seriously worried about ISK in years. I'm hardly space-rich - I think my main is under 1B ISK at the moment - But so what? ISK, like hulls, exists to be burned. Implants are mostly only a tool for getting into the next hull, or maybe expanding my ability to industrialize, or grant me a few more percentage points in some skill - In short, they also exist to burn.

The bottom line is this: Every resource in EVE exists to be used - to help me have more fun.

So - if something is preventing you from having fun, Burn It!

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Doomheim
#47 - 2013-05-16 19:20:01 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
How many SP do you lose if you run a jump clone with lets say cheap +3 insetad of running your +5? I don't know the exact formula but it's only a difference of like 6 per seconds for 24 hours? If I am right with 6/secs, then you would lose about half a million SP. Something tells me I am way off for some reason... PLZ help me any of you math wizzards.


4320 SP 'loss' per 24 hours between +3 and +5.


Many thinks for correcting my WAY OFF math.

4k SP? That guy is bitching about a grand loss of 4k SP????


Nobody is "bitching"
It's a discussion.
Kult Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-05-16 19:24:06 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
It's no big deal for players who can afford to lose isk. You can't so much with a million isk and a head with no implants.


Flying around with millions of isk in your pod, it's like flying a shuttle full of plex in faction warfare.

All the pvp fools are saying "go ahead fly, don't be scared" which really means "yeah more awesome LEET kills"

Eh. Seriously, I've not seriously worried about ISK in years. I'm hardly space-rich - I think my main is under 1B ISK at the moment - But so what? ISK, like hulls, exists to be burned. Implants are mostly only a tool for getting into the next hull, or maybe expanding my ability to industrialize, or grant me a few more percentage points in some skill - In short, they also exist to burn.

The bottom line is this: Every resource in EVE exists to be used - to help me have more fun.

So - if something is preventing you from having fun, Burn It!



Your avatar kind of looks like the imp from game of thrones. The problem is that the implants are a huge hindrance to getting into pvp. Hulls are do exist to burn, implants not so much. The ship is an extension of your character. The implants and attributes are your character.

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#49 - 2013-05-16 19:25:31 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
I wish for a day where people on forums would post about real issues of the game, everything people complain about are just things that if fixed would make the game more convenient for them. most of the issues people post about actually do not hinder people's game in any way


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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#50 - 2013-05-16 19:27:06 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
How many SP do you lose if you run a jump clone with lets say cheap +3 insetad of running your +5? I don't know the exact formula but it's only a difference of like 6 per seconds for 24 hours? If I am right with 6/secs, then you would lose about half a million SP. Something tells me I am way off for some reason... PLZ help me any of you math wizzards.


4320 SP 'loss' per 24 hours between +3 and +5.


Many thinks for correcting my WAY OFF math.

4k SP? That guy is bitching about a grand loss of 4k SP????


Yes. Granted, it adds up. But I gladly trade 4k SP a day to be doing exactly what I want to do, where I want to be doing it, without fear of losing a implant set that I can't replace on the fly.
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#51 - 2013-05-16 19:28:59 UTC
Is this **** the new WiS thread from pre incarna?

Always feels like the same people posting the same rubbish.

Is it CCP Grayscale testing an idea? :P
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-05-16 19:30:15 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:

Maybe trainable skills that up attributes? I think implants are the hinge pin for a lot of missioners LP though. It would absolutely destroy the markets and people would biomass.


I'm sure you're right, those it causes less of a problem to are the ones that would like to keep them after all it is an isk gravy train to a degree.
Kult Altol
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-05-16 19:34:48 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Is this **** the new WiS thread from pre incarna?

Always feels like the same people posting the same rubbish.

Is it CCP Grayscale testing an idea? :P



Yes cause you are brimming with eloquent responses to all the "rubbish"

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Plyn
Uncharted.
#54 - 2013-05-16 20:15:56 UTC
You should go ahead and make the jump OP. You should never get podded in lowsec. When your ship starts to blow up spam warp to a celestial. Pods warp instantly, and there are no bubbles in low to keep you from warping. You'll be fine.
Barkaial Starfinder
Eixo do Mal
#55 - 2013-05-16 20:58:39 UTC
Damn.. You play long enough to have +5 but never left the empire?
I think the problem lies in your mindset.

Soon you will realise that you are not gaining anything, and that you would have enjoyed your time in EVE much more if you had just let it go... Plug in some +3 and go have fun.

You can also stay in a clone without implants.. It's not a big difference in training time, unless you are on EVEmon planning for one year.


Also.. If you are not lagging, or have problems with your PC, it should be pretty safe to warp your pod out after a ship loss.
To Be Me
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-05-16 22:22:46 UTC
decrease time between clone jumps

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#57 - 2013-05-16 22:42:49 UTC
Everything you do in EvE has consequences. Every choice you make has it drawbacks. But how you let those drawbacks effect your game-play, is entirely up to you.

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