EVE General Discussion

Why are people who choose not to pvp called simpletions or unskilled players. I could make the same argument that pvpers kill other players because they are too unskilled to play the market, but I know thats untrue. Iv tryed pvp and as it stands im not very good at it nor do I enjoy it much. I do find it enjoyable to be the industrial back bone of people who do pvp. I also have no problem dodgeing and weaving gankers who want to steel my stuff, that to me is a form of pvp that is fun.

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I don't pvp much nowadays and have never been a pvp junky. I'm one of the rare people that like EVE pvp just for what it is and after a long day of dealing with idiots, it's nice sometimes to come home and relax by drinking beer and shooting red boxes lol.

But, I understand I'm in a pvp game, and I don't get mad or rage quit or retreat to empire because some other guy comes where I am and cloaks. I either prepare for a fight or (more frequently) "move around" and keep doing my thing. If they catch me and kill me I do rage...quietly, at home and not on the forums. Then i type good fight in local if they hadn't podded me yet.

Then I go and cook my feel good food, fried chicken...but not all of it, because I play Eve and I don't Fry what i can't afford to lose :) .

Some people don't want to give a game that much thought and don't have enough "sack" to persevere in trying situations, so they want the game to do the heavy lifting for them by either asking for changes to things like cloaks and cynos, or they resist needed reform to old game content like NPC corps with offer too much protection for too little price.

And when you call them out on this, they scream "you just want to kill me", because that makes them feel better and lets them avoid their own shortcomings.

I should get a tattoo on my left butt cheek that says "I don't dislike you because you are different or play differently, I dislike you because you are a cowardly [insert colloquial term for feline] in a video game that isn't even real"......

defending themselves isn't their playstyle

botting is

I bet we wouldn't.

I doubt if any of us would really care.

Much like i dislike the PvP crowd championing changes to game play to make it harder for non-PvPers to stay relatively safe?

It is pretty easy to run up good stats, isn't it. get in a 20 v 20 fight, and you lost the fight, you can still get credit for 10-15 kills for your one loss. Just one of the reason that KB stats are a complete joke.

I'll just say:
1) I'm shocked how old the eve.battleclinic/killboard is. Is there a new site or something? It says my last loss was 3 years. I wish that were true.

2) My main is on over 350 kills. I switched to logistics, for the most part, after that point so not many kills, but I do have a couple kills since the last ones shown on the above site.

Safety is your own responsibility in EVE. You have the tools, so use them.

Many hundreds of industrialists who came before you managed to pull it off.

If I can manage to keep my industrial toons mostly safe operating in high, low, and null, then you can too. Inability to do so is a failure on your part, and not game mechanics.

This. This so many times it fills Soldier Field, Madison Square Garden and the Alamodome three times over. Those mid/low slots on exhumers and indy ships aren't just there to look pretty, you know. And if you aren't skilled for them, fly with backup or avoid systems that've had a fair amount of podkills in the space of an hour. Quit blaming the game for your own lack of defensive/evasive play.

From the way you describe your play style, I bet we have MUCH more in common than you suspect from your posts where you call me insane.

Last big loss I had was about 3.5 billion ISK.

People that killed me typed "ouch" in local. My response was "pretty much". I then warped my pod back to the high sec gate, jumped through, went an bought a new freighter and 2 billion ISK worth of stuff... waited until moments after the next down time, and completed the chore I was trying to accomplish when I went boom.

No rage. That wasn't griefing. Straight up, intended game play. If I didn't want to go boom, I shouldn't have been trying to supply my friends with billions of ISK worth of stuff.


What I rage against in this game is 3 fold:
1) cloaky camper mechanics. There is literally NOTHING you can do to get rid of someone cloaked up in your sov space. It is the only ship in space that is perfectly safe.


2) People that think that can turn carebears into easy targets by changing game mechanics. It is pure ignorance of the mindset of carebear. This is epitomized by the arrogant comments in this thread "I'd bet you'd enjoy PvP if you just gave it a try" as if we're too stupid to know what we enjoy and do not enjoy.

Calls to nerf high sec, remove L4s from high sec, remove local, remove NPC corps, lock people into war decs, etc. etc. etc. It is sooooo frustrating trying to explain to these people that there is NOTHING you can do that will make me accept going boom on a regular basis. Any rules changes that you think will make it easier to kill me, will simply cause me to stop doing the activities that would make me easy to kill.


3) People that assume that because I don't want high sec to be more dangerous than it is, I must be arguing that I want the game to change to make high sec safer than it is.

Sure, there are some stupid mechanics, like having to change corps to get out of a war dec. it would be nice if there were a way to get out of a war dec without changing corps... but that isn't making high sec safer, since I can already change corps to get out of a war dec.... it would just make getting out of a war dec a little less of a hassle.

And to be CLEAR, I've never argued that suicide ganking should be eliminated from the game. I've asked "what if" and people assumed it meant I thought it should be removed. In reality, I never said it should, and frankly, think it should not. If I'm moving an expensive cargo in a ship that makes it profitable to suicide gank, then I'm asking for it. I think the current rules, that make it expensive to suicide gank, if the carebear is properly prepared, are more than sufficient to keep carebears reasonably safe.