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DX 11 in Odyssey?
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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#161 - 2013-05-16 13:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Stan'din
Pretty much everything in this topic is going argument, counter - argument. its getting no where.

  • There are people who can't afford to upgrade
  • There are the people who won't upgrade
  • There are people sat on the fence about weather to upgrade
  • There are the people with high end rigs



    • eventually CCP will do the big transformation from DX9 - DX11 its inevitable, New players wan't the WOW effect when they first play a game and from a business standpoint it makes sense to bring this fresh blood into the game.

    Put Simply, You are eventually going to have to upgrade your rig. It might not be today or this year. But i can say with a certain degree of certainty that it will happen not too long from now.

    for those that can't afford - People on here have no right to judge your problem and i am sure a lot of us Sympathize . but its eventually going to hit you.

    The ones that won't upgrade - Personally i have no sympathy for some one who doesn't want to improve things they spend hours on and love.

    Fence people. its going to happen, logical steps need to be taken to future proof your rigs its simple

    the last group, has not got much to worry about as they are all ready prepared. apart from being a little bit elitist ( myself included ) .


    We all love EVE.

    Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
    Arcelian
    0nus
    #162 - 2013-05-16 13:45:26 UTC
    Zeko Rena wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want.

    I seriously doubt CCP feels the same way. You can either get a job with CCP to help them develop an optional DX 11 client, or you can shut up and wait for them to do so, or you can just shut up and deal with it.



    How about you shut up and deal with it and upgrade your toaster, or go back to playing Pong


    Buahahaha, +1 to you sir
    Bloody Wench
    #163 - 2013-05-16 14:01:56 UTC
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Setaceous wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

    Indeed. Though if money for those people is seriously that tight, maybe they should reconsider their budget and stop playing anyway. MMOs subs should always come last in a budget for a responsible person.

    It's not in my budget at all. People seem to want to force it on me, though.



    You're just being contrary for the sake of it.

    Any PC over 10 years old should just die in a pall of blue smoke and the faint smell of Ozone.

    Seriously for well under a grand you can have an i5K, water cooling, GTX 670's, SSDs and 16+ Gig RAM

    Why drive that shitbox when you can drive something that doesn't suck?

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    Ager Agemo
    Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
    #164 - 2013-05-16 16:13:57 UTC
    to those who say they can not afford a decent rig, all I have to say, is that if you have that kind of economic struggle... you shouldn't be spending time and money and eve and instead should be working more to get some more money.

    I say this as someone who works on a third world country working half time and yet I make enough to build an enthusiast rig...
    Arcelian
    0nus
    #165 - 2013-05-16 16:57:44 UTC
    Bloody Wench wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Setaceous wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

    Indeed. Though if money for those people is seriously that tight, maybe they should reconsider their budget and stop playing anyway. MMOs subs should always come last in a budget for a responsible person.

    It's not in my budget at all. People seem to want to force it on me, though.



    You're just being contrary for the sake of it.

    Any PC over 10 years old should just die in a pall of blue smoke and the faint smell of Ozone.

    Seriously for well under a grand you can have an i5K, water cooling, GTX 670's, SSDs and 16+ Gig RAM

    Why drive that shitbox when you can drive something that doesn't suck?


    Wait, what? Please tell me how you can have GTX 670's (plural), water cooling, etc. for well under a grand. I'm not saying you are lying, I would genuinely like to know, as I'm building a new rig soon. I mean, one gtx 670 is a little over $300 by itself...
    Frostys Virpio
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #166 - 2013-05-16 17:00:08 UTC
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:


    So you know exactly how CCP would implement DX11, do you? You know for a fact DX11 features would be optional?


    He definately don't and most likely CCP does not ahve the $$$ to run 2 different codepath for the graphic engine of the game. Game developper like blizzard (DX9 and up all supported in some fashion) and Valve (all the way down to DX8) can do it by having the game engine render differently depending on what is supported on the machine because there are ton of non essential graphic options to disable AND they have money to throw at the devs to code stuff to amke it work. The relatively small playerbase of EVE most likely can't support such huge undertaking.

    As a required troll comment in such a fail thread, I should add this : "Player willing to destroy the enjoyment of the game of others by changing the rules of what is required to run the game are pretty much just another version of the players willing to destroy the enjoyment of other players by changing the rules in the game."
    Frostys Virpio
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #167 - 2013-05-16 17:06:59 UTC
    Arcelian wrote:
    Bloody Wench wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Setaceous wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

    Indeed. Though if money for those people is seriously that tight, maybe they should reconsider their budget and stop playing anyway. MMOs subs should always come last in a budget for a responsible person.

    It's not in my budget at all. People seem to want to force it on me, though.



    You're just being contrary for the sake of it.

    Any PC over 10 years old should just die in a pall of blue smoke and the faint smell of Ozone.

    Seriously for well under a grand you can have an i5K, water cooling, GTX 670's, SSDs and 16+ Gig RAM

    Why drive that shitbox when you can drive something that doesn't suck?


    Wait, what? Please tell me how you can have GTX 670's (plural), water cooling, etc. for well under a grand. I'm not saying you are lying, I would genuinely like to know, as I'm building a new rig soon. I mean, one gtx 670 is a little over $300 by itself...


    You skimp like mad on the quality of some parts. It potentially blow-up too...
    Sergeant Acht Scultz
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #168 - 2013-05-16 17:16:03 UTC
    Cipher Jones wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
    If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

    Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.


    My 18 month old rig cost <$500 then, <$300 now. While I see and understand the point you are trying to make, you are exaggerating it.






    James is a greedy guy that's why !! Lol

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    Sergeant Acht Scultz
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #169 - 2013-05-16 17:34:21 UTC
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Xen Solarus wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want.


    They don't have to spend anything. They just need to update their windows verson to a modern one of their choice. They can stick with DX9 if they like, or if their systems can't handle modern graphics. At least that way, everyone else can have the choice to run on the higher graphics, rather than being held back by people living in the stoneage.

    The way I understood it was that games which require DirectX 11 cannot run on hardware that supports only DX9, or even DX10 for that matter, even if the operating system supports DX11 and DX11 is installed.

    If I'm wrong about this, please do tell me. I suppose I could "obtain" Crysis 3 to find out for myself, but I'm afraid of my laptop exploding.



    The thing you need to realize if that it's not a problem of directx11 or win8, you can always run win7 on your old laptop and eventually DX9 or 10 but once the program (game whatsoever) will start requiring calculations and connections beyond an old rig overclocked under cryo capacities your PC will burn, so yeah there are volunteer hardware/software compatibility limitations which is good.

    Your old thing is probably an old hardware with and possessor build around 64nano tech or+, today we're at 24 and will probably go down a bit but it's not for tomorrow, which means my all new quadricore smartphone is faster and powerful than your old PCc and could handle Eve multi client without a problem if there was an application for it.

    You can put XP on a fresh new pc it will run but will never ever get the best of said hardware because of OS limitations.

    Hardware these days is not as much expensive as it was in the past and the longevity will be higher since we're getting to the point of nano tech limits.
    Next generation of expensive hardware is stocking and reading hardware, we already see it with SSD drives getting better and better pretty fast winch means you have to plan carefully your buy choice.
    It's a nice moment to get a good rig for a couple years so go for it and start being greedy !!

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    Drachiel
    Mercury LLC
    #170 - 2013-05-22 08:49:54 UTC
    Why not a cold upgrade to the latest OGL version?

    It supports everything DX11 does.
    FlamesOfHeaven
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #171 - 2013-05-22 10:20:09 UTC
    Ager Agemo wrote:
    to those who say they can not afford a decent rig, all I have to say, is that if you have that kind of economic struggle... you shouldn't be spending time and money and eve and instead should be working more to get some more money.

    I say this as someone who works on a third world country working half time and yet I make enough to build an enthusiast rig...


    QFT

    I built two good rigs (one recently) and our family isnt that rich. We were actually near the bottom line of when it comes to money, but we worked our ass off and did what can to pull through that ****. Right now, we enjoying the benefits of working hard and not being a lazy teenager/adult and their "entitlement".

    Any computer dated more than 9 -10 years should have support dropped asap.