EVE General Discussion

Well since I can see this thread is going places i have one simple question: "HEY THERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOMESTUCK?"


There I have now added more content to the post then the op dragging out this overdone argument for the umpteenth time.


Please note I actually kind of agree that there should be one system where no one can target anything... but theres no concord response no gate guns no security at all just a match to see who's disco ship reigns supreme thats system shall be called RAVETOPIA


Final note: i actually do agree with andski.

I disagree with most of this. I mean, you talk about PvP, but what your actually talking about is highsec. Thats where the carebears mostly live. They aren't interested in PvP. Its not why they play the game. Thats why they don't ever leave highsec. So what you're actually talking about, is forcing your opinion on those that disagree. Great way to get the majority of the playerbase to unsub. You might as well argue for the complete removal of Concord!

I'd argue that its the nature of so-called PvPers that are mostly to blaim. They've turned lowsec into a wasteland. There is little incentive for highsec carebears to risk this area of space, as the rewards don't match to insane risks. Much easier to stay in highsec. So, these L33T PvPers (read: gatecampers) come into highsec instead, and gank as much as possible. Result? Further reinforcement that carebears should stay in highsec. (Subnote: scaling gateguns would do alot to solve this issue).

Of course, this is usually the point where people start screaming "PvP only game!". I disagree with that too. EvE is great for exactly the reason that it caters to different peoples tastes, from the PvP pirate scumbag to the never-undocking highsec industrialist. Sure, you can start going on about how everything ultimately explodes due to PvP, but thats more a reference to EvE's player driven economy. Highsec is the very heart of this industrial machine, and its full of players that enjoy the game for all the aspects that don't involve them exploding ships.

I'd suggest you go to low and nullsec, where the PvP is supposed to happen. But i guess the main problem is that the guys there shoot back, right? I guess the best kills are the ones on defenceless carebear miners, or people lemming single-file into gatecamps!

What is this? Strawman Mania 2013™?

Not true, I have PI in Lowsec and have run into dozens of miners. The thing is these are remote areas of lowsec... much lower risk.

No where should be 100% safe from pew pew. Even in stations!

if people were willing to give all their stuff to greedy ones there will be no wars over resources. However stupid people don't want to share their wealth

I didn't know that you could lose ships spinning them. Or do they become :loose: from the holding fields once in a while and end up flying up against the hanger wall? Or are you lumping the hard working industrialist, who, with their unhealthy attraction to spreadsheets and buy/sell/contract play create ships to be destroyed by the common filth that is those who buy the ships?

Only the people gaming the system trading in the various trade systems or investing time and resources into the secondary and above product systems can claim the title industrialist. Calling anyone else an industrialist is like calling someone who works at Starbucks a barista or someone who works at Subway a sandwich artiste.

No one says you have to take out your indy spec'd toon and fight a seasoned PVP player. You do, however, have to accept the fact that players in eve are going to try to blow you up. How you deal with that, is up to you. There's many options.

But you do have to deal with it. That should never change.

It's always funny to me how you have to protect your ego by pre-defining other people as "the enemy". In this case"PVPrs".

Well, what about people like me? People who aren't rabid PVPrs, but who still disagree with everything you post?

I started as a mission runner and only got into pvp of any kind because my buddy fairly dragged me into facitonwar when it started. i enjoyed it, but I'm not one f those "man, must log on to pvp" guys. I mainly PVP'd and FC'd to help my friends/corp/alliance and to "pay my way" so to speak, Only once in my 6 years of playing did I log on, jump itno a ship, jump into low sec and try some solo pvp (it lasted 5.5 minutes lol, damn gate camps. On the average day of playing, i'll slaughter hundreds of NPC ships and not even lock another player's ship.

Most of my EVE experience has been avoiding losing shiny isk making ships to "PVPrs". I have lost a couple (a vindi to an awoxxing in fountain and a mach to neutrals because I was scrammed by a serpentis frig, DEATH TO SERPENTIS).


The difference between me and you, however, is that I EMBRACE what EVE is and has been rather than railing against it. I understand that I'm a PVE player in a PVP world and that it's perfectly normal for people to try to bring PVP to anyone and everoyne in a game that has always had non-consensual pvp as a possibility.

And I understand that the things I'm flying are, in reality, valueless pixels. So while you're hiding in npc corps under the protection of imaginary space police because "mean nasty PVPrs are scary", I'm flying imaginary PIRATE battleships in null sec having fun...

I'll never ever understand people like you. Not because you don't play like me( you DO play like me in that you don't love pvp and try to protect your in-game assets), but because I simply can't grasp the level of panty-twisting FEAR of imaginary loss that you experience, Fear so crippling that it limits how you play a video game (again, YOU yourself have said you'd be in null sec if it weren't for cynos, despite the fact that thousands of us live with the "danger" every day).

I mean damn, I'll bet you've never played a single game of Ms. Pac-Man because you were scared to death of the possibility of a Ghost biting you those stopping your acquisition of pellets......