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Dev blog: Dual Character Training

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-05-16 01:02:11 UTC
Shut up and take my money

And by money I mean money, not plex, mainly because :effort:

Also triple training and the one account to rule them all thingie
Brante Sletkia
Strategic Incompetence
Blue Sun Interstellar Technologies
#102 - 2013-05-16 01:06:30 UTC
Roajax wrote:
Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.

IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.

Bump, this is totally true why go halfway? A plex/or sub for a month just for training seems a bit steep for a character I cannot play at the same time...either make the other char playable, or go the full distance and allow training on all 3 chars at once. I would pay for 3 char training for 2 subs, but 2 char for 2 subs...while this is a nice feature, and I am looking forward to it...it should be playable or all trainable for that price.
Verbz
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#103 - 2013-05-16 01:47:50 UTC
This is a tax for stupid people, it would be cheaper to start a new account and train that way lol.
Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-05-16 01:54:04 UTC
Verbz wrote:
This is a tax for stupid people, it would be cheaper to start a new account and train that way lol.


Not really, what if an alt only needs a 2 week skill trained? having a second account means also keeping it subbed for the character in question to be available whenever needed, not -everyone- wants to have multiple (or even a second) account.
Dex Tera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-05-16 02:00:31 UTC
what i would like firstly i want plex timers i want to know how long i have left on my plex and i want to see it on my characters sheet i also want to know how much training time i have left on my second plex

secondly if i apply a second plex to my account i want to be able to load a secondary client and FLY with that toon as well as my main and this is a must i think if ccp wants this to function to be used often

also i want to be able to switch to a toon on my account without having to close the client and starting a new client
when this happens i will give you more of my money

also i think that being able to only train a second toon that i can't fly at the same time as my main for the same price is a waste and pointless allow us to fly both or let us train toon slot 2 and 3 for that secondary plex plz

thanks for reading and considering it CCP
Dex Tera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-05-16 02:16:22 UTC
i like the idea of having one account with many toons that i can login too based on how many plexes i have applied on that account
i want on account with say X amount of toon slots but being able to fly with whatever toon has an active plex and so i could have say 8 toons on one account but i have 3 with active plexes on them so that i can actually fly all 3 of them at the same time and if say i want ed to just train a toon and not be able to fly it while my mains are online then i could use an arm token for that say half of a plex for 30 days of training so i could get 60 days of training for one plex on an inactive toon

or set it up so that if i have 9 toons on my account i can apply 3 plex to that account and fly any 3 at time but be able to train just 3 at a time
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2013-05-16 02:54:03 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts?

You know, there's a lot of people I expect this from, but not you. You're smarter than this.

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James Cobb
Mabnen Mining Salvage
#108 - 2013-05-16 03:57:30 UTC
Nice Idea, however, I must take a pass to this. Until such time as I am able to handle this feature better. We shall see what the future holds, and then go from there. at the moment, I can only afford three characters (yea, I know, mine the ore and save up fro plex, i get that), but right now, I only want to do three for the time being. Nice idea. kudos on a great idea.
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#109 - 2013-05-16 04:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvig
We know that we dont need anything that break balance. (like gold shells)

My idea: how about new skills for aurum? Skills dont disrupt balance because they should be trained.
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#110 - 2013-05-16 05:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
Definitely show time remaining till account expiry somewhere ingame, probably character sheet! Not EVERYONE uses Evemon.

And do these improvments mean you're closer to automating the many clicks it takes to pause/restart the training queue when jump cloning / plugging implants?

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Keith F
United ALT Forces
#111 - 2013-05-16 05:53:08 UTC
Nice feature, but how about for small fee(30 days becomes 28)maybe, allow us to SPLIT the plex into 4X7day training-plexs, or 7x 4 day training plexs,
Then we can store and apply as applicable, or maybe even sell/trade.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#112 - 2013-05-16 06:35:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts?

You know, there's a lot of people I expect this from, but not you. You're smarter than this.

I don't think it's a bad thing, and there's views that have indeed made me go ahh from the way I play the game that I didn't think about before when people show their support for dual training.

But I realize that is because the way I viewed it so I'm glad I got to get your views since some of them are nothing I ever thought about Smile

Although it would make it maybe a bit easier to not having to log on so many different accounts... if only there was a way to log off to character select...

Thank you!

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Styledatol
Stellar Forge Industries
#113 - 2013-05-16 06:47:54 UTC
Seems silly to me, paying plex for a toon that you can't have logged on at the same time as your mains.
Although I understand CCPs need to prosper as a business and increase revenue, I don't see this type of service being cost effective to the players vs. starting a new account/pausing training on existing one.

Reasons being:
If I want a PI/cyno/hauler/scanning alt, I can get one the old way, since my main's training is so far down the line, a month or two without training won't handicap me: Which is the case for many of my alliance mates and other wh residents who need multiple alts.
Not to mention focused accounts (haulers/miners/scanners/etc.) who don't really need lots of SP to be effective, and don't miss out on a paused training queue.
If I want a substantial toon, with decent skills, that can be used for more than cynoing/scanning I'll just get another account, since having said toon is better when you can have it and your other accounts logged on at the same time.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-05-16 07:54:45 UTC
Verbz wrote:
This is a tax for stupid people, it would be cheaper to start a new account and train that way lol.


No, it's really not. There are cases where you want to train two characters but don't have a need to have them logged in concurrently.

In the past, if you wanted to train an alt for PI you had two choices: pause training on your main long enough to train another character or create a second account for your PI characters. That's a second account that you'd have to keep current. If you no longer wanted to pay for that second account, you'd have to pay 2 PLEX per character to transfer them to your main account.

Since it's a PI alt, you don't really need to log it in at the same time as your main, so there's no point to having it on a second account if you can have it on your main account. You now have a third choice: use a PLEX to train extra characters on your account without subbing a new one. It's more cost effective, and in some cases, preferable to a second account.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#115 - 2013-05-16 08:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Just in case anyone was worried:

(1) Dual training isn't mandatory

(2) It's not replacing multi-accounting, it's an "as well as", not an "instead of"

(3) It's useful for those who will use it. If you're not one of those people, then don't use it.

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Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#116 - 2013-05-16 08:56:34 UTC
Today i can get SP via selling PLEX and buying character. But i get a lot of effort to do it and also i cant switch nickname of char.

How about direct conversion PLEX to SP? Really no diffirence with char trading but more useful.Bear
Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices
#117 - 2013-05-16 09:04:56 UTC
xttz wrote:
Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?

Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:

1) Log out
2) Log in the character currently training and pause it.
3) Log out again
4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.

Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?


It's funny because we were just discussing how the technical changes implemented to allow for this feature would also allow for pausing a character you are not logged into. Not likely to make it for Odyssey but certainly something we will consider for the future.[/quote]

What about making the training queue account-wide? So we could do queue skills from different characters in the queue, and switching actively trained characters would be automated, and we wouldn't have to relog every time we wanted to switch between toons training. I know, the dualtraining system makes this fairly complex, but that'd still be the most useful solution for the relogging issue, imho.
pussnheels
Viziam
#118 - 2013-05-16 09:12:16 UTC
give CCP a endorsement

Of course you will have people complaining that it isn't free and claiming this is another example of CCP dorcing microtransactions onto the players who cares i like the idea

Of course i presume you can still use the old way of training your alt

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SunTsu Rae
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-05-16 10:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Malcanis wrote:
Just in case anyone was worried:

(1) Dual training isn't madatory

(2) It's not replacing multi-accounting, it's an "as well as", not an "instead of"

(3) It's useful for those who will use it. If you're not one of those people, then don't use it.





We already know all of the above . . . .

The point being , and I believe I have posted in my past 4 years somewhere about this , the player should not be taxed again for the option of training all toons on the account. PERIOD.

I pay for this account I deserve the full unencumbered use of it.

AGAIN you can only use 1 toon at a time, therefore it allows a player/user to explore other options in the game.

In my case I would have 6 toons with 4 years, or roughly 70M+ sp per toon. Lots of options. Why is restricting us and asking for more money for a option that should be there already a good thing ?

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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#120 - 2013-05-16 10:27:10 UTC
45 days please, to cover the inability to dualbox.