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Minmatar ships

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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-05-12 15:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher7
Ruby Amatucci wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:
4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house

I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented.

I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too.


Phone, personal communicator, neural implant.

It's all semantics and works on the same principle of transmitting radio waves to a switching mechanism like an FTL transceiver.

For all the claims that Matar are backwards, we seem to be only ones in the universe who actually know how machines work.

PS - I can build you a "phone" ,yes like those old-fashioned devices people used to carry in their pockets, 30 Ghz faster than Lai Dai's devices and best of all not "locked down" so you can easily download media without paying 300 credits per song. Contact me to discuss a fair price.
Magnus Ituin
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
#42 - 2013-05-12 21:05:37 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Ruby Amatucci wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:
4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house

I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented.

I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too.


Phone, personal communicator, neural implant.

It's all semantics and works on the same principle of transmitting radio waves to a switching mechanism like an FTL transceiver.

For all the claims that Matar are backwards, we seem to be only ones in the universe who actually know how machines work.

PS - I can build you a "phone" ,yes like those old-fashioned devices people used to carry in their pockets, 30 Ghz faster than Lai Dai's devices and best of all not "locked down" so you can easily download media without paying 300 credits per song. Contact me to discuss a fair price.


Hah! I'd take someone who knows they are doing anytime over someone claiming we are backwards because we use a metal that looks like rust.

You looking for employment by any chance Mr. Cipher7?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#43 - 2013-05-12 23:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Magnus Ituin wrote:
Hah! I'd take someone who knows they are doing anytime over someone claiming we are backwards because we use a metal that looks like rust.


Oh there are many ways they're backwards, but I'll give credit where it's due: Their ships aren't. Well, their weapons are... and the electronics... but the hulls & engines are quite sound and surprisingly durable, do to so many utterly redundant systems: Which also makes modification quite easy, as whatever you had to throw out to make space probably wasn't really needed in the first place.

Once you rip out the electronics and put some top of the line Caldari computers & shield systems in there, supplement it with Gallente drones & targeting systems, and then reinforce it all with proper Amarrian armor & automatic repair systems... now you've got a very impressive ship. And that's not all sarcasm, either - that "junkiness" is what lets you do all that with ease. Kitbashing all that stuff together into hulls from any of the other three nations is an engineering nightmare, as everything is already fit to very tight specifications & functions. But Minmitar design "sloppiness" gives their ships more room to play, and adding a part here or tossing out a part there doesn't make the whole thing fall apart when you turn it on.

To put it in an analogy, working on most ship is like working on a high yield fission reactor. In comparison, working on a Minmatar ship is like working on an old fashioned fossil fuel combustion engine. Guess which is easier to tinker with without exploding?

Sure, ton for ton it's not as powerful, but overwhelming numbers has become an integral part of Minmitar military doctrine - which works when you breed like bunnies ("It's your duty to the tribe, babe! Promote the master bloodline!" Ugh). One Slasher is laughable, but then again there is no such thing as just one Slasher. They attack in swarms, like angry ants, and when your ships are cheap and can be slapped together in hours, those swarms can get massive indeed.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#44 - 2013-05-13 09:12:16 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I saw my first one today. So many questions.

1. How do those things fly, I mean, really?


Technically there is nowhere to "fall" in space so we are not really flying. Floating is a better term....and our ships are floating damn fast.

Kim Ji-Young wrote:
2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what.


This is what we call projectile ammo.

Kim Ji-Young wrote:
3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on?


Internal comforts are irrelevant for a capsuleer who is floating in pod goo.

Kim Ji-Young wrote:
4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?


Sure we can. Those long warps would be unbearable otherwise.

Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I'm serious.


Couldn't tell.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#45 - 2013-05-13 12:26:20 UTC
I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#46 - 2013-05-13 12:34:59 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former.


why not cry with laughter? then you can do both just to be sure!

wumbo

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#47 - 2013-05-13 13:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Well we can laugh about it, but anyone Amarr capsuleers should be deeply ashamed of the apparent poor quality of education from their alma matter (or that they pass students who don't pay attention in the "how not to die" classes)
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-05-13 15:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalanaja
I'm a ship engineer by trade along with cargo handling. The use of fernite carbide ceramic composite makes for a lower mass ship along with the use of brute force lower tech thrusters to push it. Since we use fission as a power source a way to radiate the heat from them is needed so the radiator panels which look like solar panels aren't actually at all. They are both sensor and heat radiators.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#49 - 2013-05-13 16:29:38 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:
I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former.


why not cry with laughter? then you can do both just to be sure!


Laughing so hard that I shed tears? I like that idea!
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#50 - 2013-05-15 16:59:28 UTC
Too bad you did not have a proper navy education but I can not blame the blindness of amarrian educators these days so I do not blame you Ms. Ji- Young. However it is the skill of the captain and his/her crew that decides the outcome of engagements, not the specs of the ship itself.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#51 - 2013-05-16 01:34:25 UTC
Stitcher wrote:


Don't let the downmarket ones like the Slasher fool you, Matari ships are just as solidly engineered and spaceworth as the efforts of any of the other empires, and come with the additional advantage of being easier to maintain and repair.


The Slasher, sir, is an engineering miracle.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
One Slasher is laughable


This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#52 - 2013-05-16 02:03:52 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns.


Now that I'm looking at the fittings on my Slicer, running price checks on the T2s and the Scorches... as well as their stats. Yes, I agree with you. This is exactly the case.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#53 - 2013-05-16 03:37:30 UTC
Heinel Coventina wrote:
That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.

What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power?

I believe those are the radiators.

The technical term I am informed, is the "top wingy bit" or "bottom wingy bit". Personaly I call them targets of opportunity, a reactor goes critical faster when there is nowhere to dump excess heat but inside the vessel.

Ideally to the cargo hold.

Full of ammo.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#54 - 2013-05-16 04:55:18 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
[quote=Heinel Coventina]Personaly I call them targets of opportunity, a reactor goes critical faster when there is nowhere to dump excess heat but inside the vessel.

Well, good ship designs have internal heat sinks in the form of a solid mass (ie. a block of metal) to dump the heat to so it doesn't get dumped into the shipboard environment or remain in the systems, though once they are saturated, you are back to that problem. Also, only the most ancient of reactor designs melt down when they overheat, newer antiques up to the modern reactors are designed so power (and, thus heat) output decreases with heat past a certain threshold.

Given the nature of ship combat where capsuleers are involved, the ship is likely going to be destroyed before the systems overheat. If the ship isn't destroyed by then, the crew is probably dead of heat exhaustion and some of the systems are nonfunctional before the ammo cooks off.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#55 - 2013-05-16 05:35:21 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Milton Middleson wrote:
This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns.


Now that I'm looking at the fittings on my Slicer, running price checks on the T2s and the Scorches... as well as their stats. Yes, I agree with you. This is exactly the case.


Even the best fitted ships are useless in the hands of inexperienced and/or clueless pilots.

Meanwhile "lesser" ships can be lethal in the hands of those who know frigate combat like the back of their hand.


Somewhere there is a loss mail I'm sure of a Slicer pilot who had no idea what he was doing the day a Slasher took his ship apart.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#56 - 2013-05-16 07:10:47 UTC
I used to think they were held together with a material known as "Duck Tape". Though how tape would be made from ducks is a mystery to me.

Eventually I learned to fly them, and while they are not necessarily held together with tape (except for the interior and wiring) they do lack in paint. The Minmatar didn't have time to paint ships in their early desperate days so they never got into bothering with it. Besides the rust matches the background of their space too. It's not really rust anyway, more of a patina, and if you look closely there is a sheen on them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

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