EVE General Discussion

I never said I want to control NPC pricing. I said that prices should be lower, because the overall perception between the majority of people who are in the business of losing pods on a regular basis (read: 0.0 pvpers) think they're too high for high-SP character. The whys have already been talked about in detail in the previous pages.

The alternative is to make clones a player-driven service, like pretty much every other service in the game, aside from skill books and insurance, plus some other very minor ones.

The majority of players with well designed and implemented character concepts think that clone costs should be higher. Cheap clones are an advantage to those who want a win and not a challenge. There's actually some other games on the market that specialize in that feeling.

Eve is an experiment in how "real" a virtual world can be made to feel. You wont get that with circus rides and kiddy shows.

You speak like a consumer who demands satisfaction because you paid for a product and you are entitled to it. This mindset leads to overconsumption as people cannot ever be satisfied by passive entertainment, they continually consume in order to sate the hunger.

Try to view Eve as a great experiment, a journey, that we all have the privilege of taking together. revel in that, and soak up the possibilities that it can realize and present. You will be thinner but not so hungry perhaps.

Oh boy...Uh, no, the bears who want guaranteed safety are the ones who feel entitled to anything. All I'm asking for is for clones to be cheaper so that I can lose more of them for the same amount of money, which would conveniently allow me to provide a lot of content for other players who are also looking for pvp. Keep in mind that clone cost is the only non-player-driven factor that influences pvp. I can save money on ships, modules, and implants, but this is something that's set in stone. It's entirely arbitrary.

Arguing against this simply means you're anti-pvp. It must benefit you somehow if less people are out there looking for fights.

The economic premise that a lower clone cost encourages more risk-taking and thus more overall instances of isk being "sunk," really makes the argument valid either way.



I like this idea. In regards to inflation, in general, however; there's no stopping it when isk faucets are unlimited. (And frankly there's no way to get rid of unlimited isk faucets unless CCP is willing to pull isk from idle accounts and return it to the economy by some method. The only one that's obvious is strictly verboten, so I think that's here to stay.)

You are actually not in a position to insist on anything.

For a while I thought that you were an alt of someone who is metagaming this issue. Now I just think that you don't understand.

"Eve pvp will die and no one will dare to fight anymore if clones remain expensive. Subscribers will be lost and the servers will close! oh noes!!!"

I have made many mistakes while playing Eve, and lost a lot of ISK because of them. I have played very conservatively and lost a lot of ISK because of that. Those choices all have benefits and liabilities.

The game is as advertised, to come here whining about how unfair and difficult it is after playing for 100million skill points is just bizarre. What game did you think that you were playing?

Earlier you mentioned that clones as sinks are not really affected by lowering clone costs. I think you are spot on there, lower clone costs will mean more lost clones and so the sink will stay balanced.

In fact I will go so far as to say that sinks in general aren't much of an issue. I'm sure CCP can figure out some way to pull ISK out of the game if they need to.

What clones do is help to close the power gap between high SP chars and low SP ones. It reinforces the idea of specialization and keeps everyone a bit nervous about combat.

The route that CCP seems to be taking is one of removing limitations from the top of the player base and buffing the hell out of the bottom. I would rather they heavily constrain the top and buff the bottom a bit, thats not going to happen though, too many QQ players atm.

Yeah, we've made that argument to these guys dozens of times in this thread already, but they don't want to hear it. They just parrot "risk vs reward" at us, without stopping to think about the cost of the hulls we're talking about here, and the reward of flying them compared to others.

Derp.

I don't think clones close the power gap at all. A trivial cost being imposed on wealthy vets and a more meaningful cost retarding the activity of less active vets doesn't really close any gaps. All it does is incentivise (as you mentioned) the affected players being more wary of combat that risks their clone.

I don't know in what way that advantages the new player because I see their greatest benefit coming from fighting other players in similar ships. The more vets that are pushed into low-risk-mode the fewer and more lop-sided fights are going to come to the rookies.



I don't have a problem with either approach, but my contention is that clones do nothing to constrain the veteran's advantage in combat in the first place.

Unless we operate on the fallacy that all vets are immensely wealthy and ignore this disincentive, there are no positive outcomes fror the new player or the vet from this imposition.