EVE General Discussion

If carebears were willing to lose a 200 million ISK ship, every time they mine 1 billion ISK in ore or grind up a billion ISK in mission rewards, I think the PvPers would not be so angry with them.

The simple truth is, I am not willing to accept even that level of loss. I would rather lose 1 billion ISK in opportunity cost of not undocking rather than lose even a 50 million ISK ship. I can grind up a billion ISK a week, and if I lose a ship every 3 months, it is too much for me. Way, way too much.

I've lost 0 ships in the last 9 months.... yeah, that's just about the right amount of loss.



And, the other carebears I've played the game with (100s), are pretty much in agreement that absolutely 0 loss is pretty much the correct amount.


I get it why the PvPers are so frustrated by us. I really do.

Problem is, it is my experience, that this is NOT going to go away. ANY attempt to try to get us to accept a higher than "virtually 0" loss is simply going to result in us quitting the game. AND, based on my experience with high sec and null, and the % of players in each of these areas of space, and the play styles in each area, the carebears are a HUGE chunk of teh revenue stream.


War Dec: Industry corp gets war decced. PvPers say, come out and fight. What actually happens? No one logs in, or if they do log in, they do not undock. The players drop to NPC corps, or spin up a temp corp and switch to that. Very, very few ships actually go boom becuase of high sec war dec vs. industry corp.

Low: No one mines, and odds are, that ratter is really bait.

Null cloaky camper: Dito the above industrial corp war dec. No one undocks.

Null roaming gang in the area, upto 3 jumps out? Everyone safe's up, and stays safed up for as long as it takes for the roaming gang to leave.



The simple reality is, the carebears/nullbears are NEVER going to accept even a 10-20% loss in ships as percent of value they mine. It is fundamentally against our nature to play a game where we are easy targets for PvPers.

Maybe if High sec wasn't so safe, Low sec might actually be a viable place to travel instead of the instant death near empire camps.

That would be a quick way to completely kill this game.

Why does everyone think High Sec some kind of safe zone? I see miners getting ganked all the time, and plenty of high sec wars. Mission runners getting ninja looted and or baited into pvp, suicide ganked freighters. High sec isn't as safe as people who don't live here make it out to be.



What would you like to have happen in that scenario? Hulks and Ventures to undock and try to pvp you? lol
99.9% of the time an indy corp gets war dec'd it's by griefers.

****, and here I thought bears didn't care about their killboards...

I've been here under 3 months and the OP sounds incredibly boring.

Being jealous of people with ISK is just as bad as hoarding it for no reason

Just PvPers?

You come on and say it's my way or I quit. It's not just PvPers that will look at a statement like that and be unimpressed. Frankly I don't know why CCP would bother catering to a portion of their playerbase that is so quick to melodramatic gestures and complaining.

OP needs to lose more ships. Once you realize a ship is no different than the ammo you load in your guns, EVE becomes much more fun.

Fit a frig, go jump into FW. Bounce into lowsec, find a dude, shoot them. EVE is PVP, and the sooner you add shiptoasting to your arsenal of weapons, the better.

Same Spiel same dance.

He does this all the time guys.

Don't feed the troll.