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I got bored of highsec but I'm afraid to go to null

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#41 - 2013-05-15 13:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec a....I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
o/


Sounds like you're unsure of committing and losing out or getting hurt/scammed in some way. This is understandable because it's not really clear what you are committing to or how.

The best thing to do is ask yourself the questions because you can answer them and it will help you find your place in EVE.

Ask yourself what do you want to get out of the exerpience? ISK, fun, a good killboard, friends, all of this? Also ask yourself what are you willing to risk losing? How much ISK, how much time, how many ships?

Once you have answered these questions you can find an entity that can help you. Remember this is a two-way process. Null-sec alliances need you as much as you need them - I'm serious.

To help avoid a negative experience, look for alliances that will give you the foothold that you need to get yourself going according to your andswers to your own questions.

For example, you might find an alliance where you can change your med-clone to their home station and pod-express (self destruct a naked clone in hi sec) to get there. Then buy a pre-fit ship from contracts instead of having to try hauling one out there. It's fairly low risk and gets you setup with minimal hassle.

If you're having to compromise on your goals too much to join a corporation or alliance then they're probably not the one for you.

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Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-05-15 13:27:28 UTC
Seems like a good place to tell my story.

Once upon a time, there was a young capsuleer called Anyura. She spent her days running low level missions in Amarr space but felt that something was wrong. She'd fly into the dead space pockets and almost immediately send the camera drone to orbit around the Succubus and Phantasm rats she was shooting. These strange alien looking vessels were so much cooler than the wretched Omen she found herself lumbered with. She began getting in Sansha fiction and eventually had the good fortune to win her hearts desire in a writing competition - a Phantasm.

"This is my destiny!" she thought. "I shall take this cruiser to Stain and run missions and maybe, in the fullness of time, have a Nightmare."

With a bold heart, she set her autopilot and left Amarr space.

She promptly got shredded on the HED gatecamp. -.-

After sobbing for several days over the loss of her precious, she resolved to try and make her way to Stain once again. This time, all she took was a Coercer and a bunch of BPOs to make the frigates and mods she would need. She found a quiet corner and set to work.

Those early days were tough and the CONCORD frigates tougher. Scurrying around like a little mouse, she made sure to gather as many trash modules as she could. When her hold was full, she took them to the station next door and reprocessed them to make her frigates and modules. The days ticked by and the LP slowly accrued. She learned to watch Dscan and local like a hawk. The day finally came and she achieved her goal. Sometimes, in a quite corner of Stain, you'll see a Phantasm fighting for the glory of the Nation, piloted by a very happy capsuleer. =)
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#43 - 2013-05-15 13:40:05 UTC
Coming from an organisation that takes our K:D ratio very seriously I recommend flying swarms of rifters into things until you welcome the sound of your pod exploding as it means you can get another rifter.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#44 - 2013-05-15 13:53:29 UTC
Find the right Corp/Alliance that matches your play-style and 0.0 is fun.

You biggest problem right now is fear.

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Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-05-15 21:59:22 UTC
I can guarantee you with 100% certainty, that once you lose that first ship while out on a roam with friends, you'll be addicted. You mentioned asking friends, why don't you do that right now? I was in the same boat as you are, it's called burnout as others have mentioned. Surly some of your friends have experience with low and null, probably even extended an invitation to you in the past. Why not take them up on it?

As to your question, I just jumped into low-sec. After making a blank jump clone and checking the map, of course. To my surprise, I didn't die. The boogeymen and certain death, I had heard about, weren't there. So i went further, only to find that most systems were quite empty. I started exploring the systems, looking for useful resources, and before I knew it I had found a place to settle in. After that, I started watching the traffic to get a feel for the people that lived there and who was just passing through.

I ran a few sites, did some mining and moved more assets in. Pretty soon, it was home. Then I decided to take up some friends on their offer to hang out in NPC Null. I took a few things down and discovered I loved it. They offered a jump freighter service, which I took advantage of, which made things even easier. They also had a rorqual and offered jump clone services. There are sites to run, decent ratting and opportunities to mine and roam for small gang PvP.

I can participate as often or as little as I like. Living here is what I make it, it can be fun or boring. I primarily live in null now but I still like to jump clone back to my low-sec system once in a while. Once accept that you're going to lose ships, it gets a lot easier.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.

Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-05-15 22:05:03 UTC
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
It is not about fear to do something in a video game, I do stunts and crazy stuff in other games as well, the unique thing about eve makes you consider every move you make so you don't have to deal with its in-game consequences later (with lots of ISK loss or loss of pod that lead to loss of SP in case of non-upgraded clone), in other games you die, you spawn again... that's it

But if I got it correct, I should just get there with my pod or 1 expendable ship, then try to manage from there how to establish a base of operation?
If that was the case I guess I can look on the routes/choke points between high/null or low/null and see what is the best to establish a logistics line for me

Seeing as you don't actually know what you want to do in null yet then you have two options.

1. Join a already established corporation and try and join in with what they are doing. They will tell you what skills and ships to aim for etc and you will generally get the hang of it by learning from them.

2. Read up, research, and read more. If you intend on going to null sec solo then be backed up with a lot of knowledge and know what your options are. Without the correct ships and abilities/knowledge, you will quickly die and your expedition will be fruitless. I wouldn't recommend this unless you are a dedicated and intelligent person who can quickly learn from mistakes.

Simply running in with a T1 frigate as some others have suggested will be fruitless also (this isn't FW). You will be killed quickly and won't achieve anything.
Dukandreas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-05-15 22:08:12 UTC
You can try going to Providence (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence). It is occupied by some alliances that operate NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) which means neutrals are welcome. There are many groups that live out there that would probably love to have you and could help you out. But you can also fly solo out there, just might be easier to fly with others and get access to the intel channels. And if you want to shoot people, make sure to check if they are KOS (http://kos.cva-eve.org/).

Fly safe o7
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-05-15 22:13:28 UTC
I went straight to nullsec and I've not really left. Highsec is weird to me. So many neutrals that I'm not allowed to shoot.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#49 - 2013-05-15 22:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
SSo what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with?

Get a lot of cheap ships, fit them up in a low-sec station, get VERY drunk, and then "Leeroy" all of them against the locals. Try to make snarky comments that are actually funny.

Eventually you'll get picked up by someone and he/she will teach you about low-sec.

Rinse and repeat with 0.0 space once you are comfortable in low-sec.
Gustoff Jones
War Horse Mining and Manufacturing
#50 - 2013-05-15 22:40:44 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I went straight to nullsec and I've not really left. Highsec is weird to me. t.



sorry, ain't much on reading :P read ops and one above this, and i didn't go straight to null, spent a while in hi sec, been in null for 3-4 yrs, so i can relate to the So many neutrals that I'm not allowed to shoot, hi sec is just weird any more, got 6 toon hulk fleet, all, now, with combat skills :). Don't roam much, mostly defence, but if you find a good renter corp in null, and learn the ropes of null, hi sec and war dec's don't mean nothing no more , there a joke to me now, guess cause i refuse to even go there, even after a wanna rage quit loss :) null in most cases is safer than hi sec, no one jumps in to gank ya, they come to pop ya, NBSI before it shoots you :) just my 2 cents :)
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-05-15 22:58:04 UTC
It is a silly place... unless you enjoy pushing the pram alot. Blink

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#52 - 2013-05-15 23:17:05 UTC
End Game Version 1:
Put everything you own into a hauler and go get ganked.
Then ragequit.



End Game Version 2:
Put everything you own into nullsec and then lose everything due to corp/alliance drama or nerd rage (like failing to make a CTA or saying the wrong thing)
Then ragequit.



Or do it the way I do.

Stay in highsec. Your home base at least.

Use wormholes to go to deep nullsec past the renter borders and gank pipelines where it's so deserted you won't see anybody for weeks, and in my experience, months.

Fill up your hull with rat loot or whatever (exploration - whatever it is you are after) and then use wormholes to get back to high sec.

Kill sleepers on the way depending on where you are.

It might not be as profitable as "running anoms" but if profit and ISK are what you care about then you don't need to leave highsec for that.

If PVP is what you want then you should go to lowsec because PVP in my way of nullsec means you screwed up somewhere.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#53 - 2013-05-21 10:55:37 UTC
If you have still not made up your mind then I will take you on. I am just about to get a new foothold in 0.0 and I need heroes!

And bombers. Lots of bombers.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

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Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#54 - 2013-05-21 12:16:10 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Stay in highsec. Your home base at least.

Use wormholes to go to deep nullsec past the renter borders and gank pipelines where it's so deserted you won't see anybody for weeks, and in my experience, months.

Fill up your hull with rat loot or whatever (exploration - whatever it is you are after) and then use wormholes to get back to high sec.

Kill sleepers on the way depending on where you are.

It might not be as profitable as "running anoms" but if profit and ISK are what you care about then you don't need to leave highsec for that.

If PVP is what you want then you should go to lowsec because PVP in my way of nullsec means you screwed up somewhere.


We set up a pos in a C3 static null wormhole for a week or so. Always an exit to somewhere in nullsec, usually somewhere 30 jumps from empire. Plenty of opportunities to run sites or mine in null - if someone appears in local, just head back into the wormhole. Every now and again, an easy route to empire appears, and you can cash in the goodies.

As long as you have half decent scanning and cloaking skills, and lots of patience, it's a fun way to play for a while. Especially if you can get a crew of 3 - 5 buddies online at the same time fairly regularly

Yes, sometimes you run into a bigger, more organized outfit, and they pop your orca or something, but hey, it's all part of the fun.
Eve is so much more than just pootling around in hi-sec.

CEO, Banana Moon Industries. Alliance Diplomat, Rim Worlds Protectorate

London
Center for Advanced Studies
#55 - 2013-05-21 12:16:30 UTC
Faction Warfare is where it's at.
Anselm Toralen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-21 12:54:19 UTC
It's a game. It's pixels. You can't be afraid of pixels in the game.
Take a ship, a couple of friends and go to null, or to low, you don't have to move all your staff there.
Gus Huntah
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-05-21 14:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gus Huntah
Thank you OP for a great thread.

I've joined two "newbie friendly" null sec corps so far and I've had several issues

1- As a relatively new player (in the sense of experience, not SP count), I could not fly ships that could fit my purpose of making some isk and consequently be able to afford a lot of pvp deaths. Ratting was my only real option, but ratting in a BC or marginally BS with sub par skills meant I could bearly kill a rat before having to warp out for repairs.

2- Low activity of corp members meant I had to ship spin or solo rat (which as I just said was a challenge in itself)

3- Frequent changes in home base

4- Logistics were from my experience a nightmare. Yes I did make some isk from ratting but getting to HS Amarr / Jita etc. and actually selling them on the market in order to realize that isk profit, was a different story altogether.

I DID and still do love null sec, its emptiness, the options available and the freedom, but in between al those there were (again - in my personal experience) a significant amount of nuisances that just didn't allow me to have fun. I am now back in HS, bored to death I must admit.

I would love to find an active, newbie friendly 0.0 corp that is active, dedicated to their home, and take the time to make, from scratch, loyal supporters and good friends.

I just feel that the hands of low SP characters are tied and they HAVE TO stay in HS at least until they reach 10m SP. Mind you, a newbie like myself will make a lot of bad calls when allocating SP simply because he or she will lake the experience, which is why I say 10m SP as a minimum.

Perhaps a good idea would be for CCP to create some skill queue recommendations for new players, according to the career path they would like to follow, thereby minimizing the time required to actually have fun in null sec space.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-05-21 14:19:40 UTC
maybe try wh space? the issues with null are mostly getting in through the choke points. since wh space is both null itself and connects to null though various wandering, static and exit wormholes, it's both the null sec one jump away from high for day tripping, or a conduit for the more patient.

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Nutarum
Agapito's Crew
#59 - 2013-05-21 14:26:10 UTC
just go!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-05-21 15:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)

I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)
I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well

So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with?
Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well

I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics

o/



Well, I got into incursions (as a 3month old) and found this dude who invited me to corp who did like minded things. That corp was part of an alliance that had a highsec base, a lowsec base and a null base. One of the FCs from one of the other corps ran lowsec roams. I joined in a cheapass frigate.

It took off from there to where I prefer nullsec but miss and try to go to lowsec when I can.

Screw highsec. It sucks.

I too, was scared of loss and combat from other players, so what I did was make a throwaway cruiser (or you can use a destroyer, both work) set a course for like.... 60 jumps? into sov null.

Set autopilot. See how far you get.

Seriously, try it. Make the hull naked if it helps, but it will help you get over loss.

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