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Contentions with Odyssey Expansion Proposals
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Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#21 - 2013-05-15 16:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Theia Matova
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

While the racial traits haven't been balanced in the past, CCP has done quite a bit to improve the balance while still maintaining flavor. For example:
Blaster tracking was improved to match their up-close-and-personal use. Null was brought more inline with Barrage. Tracking Enhancers are being nerfed. Ship speeds have been significantly rebalanced, so while the stabber might travel 30% fasters than a caracal or thorax, it's damage is pretty poor. While your three points make holding down Vaga's and Cynnabals very hard, I don't think the proposed changes to minmatar battleships is going to make them suddenly overpowered. Your points are mostly moot at the BS combat tier.


Actually I referred to T1 logistics. My personal opinion is that Scythe makes superior roam hull for one because of speed and sig. And believe that this is in general problem with smaller minmatar hulls since speed and sig means too much for small hulls.

What comes to BS I actually hope that they would not make significant differences between races to BS because BSes are about EHP and damage, also bad tracking. So hopefully every race would be BS hull that was high in EHP, also goodish in damage and also bad at tracking and bad at speed and sig. But well thats already many subjects that do not really belong to this thread.

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I personally have felt like CCP reads and responds to the threads very well. They may not respond to every single reply (and couldn't/shouldn't, but they've definitely listened to feedback and responded. Those threads have tons of dev reply posts explaining why they made some of the changes they have, noting revisions they made due to feedback, noting areas that still need reworking, etc. How can you possibly justify your statement that "CCP employees have overlooked the threads and the comments". Click on any of those threads, and just keep clicking the blue icon under the dev's name to skip from dev response to dev response. There are many dev replies in those threads, and I just don't understand how you can possibly justify your statement.

Please, how about you reply with exactly what CCP has overlooked rather than some broad ambiguous statement.


And while I definitely did not respond to Kenshi in a pleasant tone, I did not troll her either. I gave legit feedback (perhaps in a demeaning manner) on almost everything she brought up. Now, the reason I was so terse was because of this:

Kenshi Hanshin wrote:
There is much feedback and founded critic in both the Amarr and Caldari threads. All of the feedback has been brushed off with insulting and demeaning attitude by CCP Rise. Which is in violation of the respect clause of the EULA and common sense understanding of PR. Furthermore, he has ignored or dismissed concerns raised in both Minmatar and Gallente forums.


This statement frankly pissed me off. It was NOT backed up with any relevant or incriminating posts, was brutal towards CCP employees that I personally think are doing an excellent job, and frankly, was deceitful.

When replying to such over-the-top slander, I replied with lots of contempt, mockery, and scorn while still addressing the points brought up. Sorry if you think it was a troll.... perhaps my shock at the OP's audacity simply got the better of me!


Thank you for taking the time and making proper reply. I admit that Kenshi did make quite and aggressive over statement. CCP Rise is valued player that knows the game. And to be honest those things that people blame on him are not really his making like change of geddon. Well he chose the BS hull it was going to happen to but if he had chosen Apocalypse the rage had been the same for that I am sure. I am cross trained pilot and I am not very happy of current Amarr ship development nor balance. Odyssey will make some things better but also make things worse for Amarr and that is sad.

However what comes to CCP responding. You can see tons of post in the dev threads. Where CCP employees did reply like 1-2 weeks ago. The threads are there. People discuss. There are trolling and unconstructive critisism yes that will be always the case when you deal with such games sadly. But there are also sincere worries and questions CCP do not care to answer. That really makes me to **** off. Thats why I believe Kenshin post is justified. Even though it could have been done in less severe manner.

In overall I am calm but sad that with those good and nice chances in Odyssey there seem to come lot of changes that I cannot easily digest. What makes it worse is that CCP is not ready to speak about them and replying questions nor responding worries that sincere players have from upcoming changes. So I am disappointed to CCP how they act. I did already consider even deleting my accounts since I really lost hope that they could make Amarr enjoyable race to play. Instead I am revoking my minny alts and start to play with rust buckets which is not perfect because thats not how I want to play to game. However I am not as upset.

Anyway thank you for taking time to calm and making a good post.
Falcus Aurelius
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-15 21:23:05 UTC
Im gonna indulge your silly whine post but I want to be very clear beforehand that neither you, or I, speak for anyone other than ourselves.

Amarr:

1) Abbadon needs the 5% resistance/level bonus due to the "Alpha Fleet Doctrines". Not that it matter much there anyway with hundreds of ships shooting you in the face. But at least it may just cause enough of a difference for logistics to save you.

By that logic every battleship "needs" a bonus to buffer tanking, yet only 2 have it. The abbadon has long been the premier armor buffer tank BS, outperforming nearly any other in that role even at Amarr BS IV.

2) Apocalypse is the iconic Amarr laser sniping BS. Yet it is unable to fit nor use Tachyon lasers (1400mm Arty & 425mm equivalents). If you do manage to fit them you have to choose between firing guns or tanking or not having a tank. This is unacceptable.

CCP has stated that adjustments to beams are coming in the near future. Complaint dismissed.

3) According to the original dev blogs (source in Amarr BS thread link) the Armaggedon was not to be changed. Yet now it losses the cap bonus to lasers. Becomes a "drone boat" and a mini Bhaalgorn. There community's disgust has been beat to death and necromancy applied with regards to this.

Point A is nonsense, CCP has every right to change their mind. That said, I agree that the poor mans bhaalgorn is a terrible idea and a massive, unneeded nerf to already gimped triage carriers.

4) Laser's cap use is prohibitive and causes many of the existing issues with Amarr ships. Cap use is 3-3.5x the cap use of the equivalent hybrid weapon. The issue is especially noticeable with regards to beam lasers.

You already made this complaint in regards to the Apoc, redundant complaining is not needed.

5) Laser powergrid requirements are also too draconian to allow their fitting to AMARR ships that are supposed to use them.

Again, I assume that you are either referring to beams (already addressed twice) or have never actually fit an Amarr ship with Pulse lasers, as they fit just fine, albeit tightly, in the majority of cases.

Caldari:

1) Missile mechanics need work to make them viable against turrets. There are numerous ideas suggested by players.

Be more specific, light missiles are incredibly popular in the meta and mediums were long OP and overused yet have still seen widespread use post nerf. Cruises will be getting a pass in the near future...so what exactly is your complaint here?

2) The Raven had no tank to begin with. The proposed Raven has less tank than any other BS other than the Scorpion!

Correct me if I am wrong but the Raven is getting another midslot. Dismissed.

3) The Scorpion is crap! As the ECM mechanic is broken! Fix that before making blanket changes to that ship. Better yet give the Caldari pilots a useful combat battleship. As the only useful PvP Caldari battleship is the Rokh.

Ill admit that the ECM mechanic is dookie, but the scorpion is hardly crap and is regularly used in the current meta of both small gang and blob warfare.

Minmatar:

1) Their sig radius is much to small compared to their 'equivalents' of the other three races.

Much too small? Really? Ill add that they make sacrifices in other areas like tank and dps.

Gallente:

1) Hyperion proposed is and will be completely OP compared to the competition.

This remains to be seen and can be dismissed on the basis of being purely speculation.

2) The dominix change was nice and that is the only one I liked.

Im glad you found something you dont feel the need to complain about.
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