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[MERC] Hades Effect

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Seraph IX Basarab
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Seraphim Division
#41 - 2013-05-14 21:31:22 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Tah i'm not even really sure who you are or what your personal problem happens to be on this particular day. I offered to have us work together and that i'd help coordinate some planning. Sorry if that translated into "i'm going to rule you" in your inferiority complex ego driven mind.

In any case, wasn't this like two months ago? It's cute that you'd keep the momento Oops for so long but either ask me out to dinner or stop being a bother.


I keep your manifesto eve-mail because it is adorable. It is also the only reason I've ever paid attention to you, because it painted a big "please talk to me because I'm good for drama" sign on your back.

Also, let's go to Olive Garden, I hear they have cheap wine. Culo can come too.


I asked if people wanted to get together to coordinate. I'm truly sorry if the proposal has done such great harm to your conscience. Also your attention is flattering but I still haven't the slightest idea who you are.

Anya Klibor wrote:
To make sure that we are on the same page, and to make sure that people are aware of the entirety of the e-mail (because we all want transparency!), I am offering the following since Balth conveniently snipped portions that didn't help him:

...

People took offense to this. How dare this upstart come in and tell me I haven't done anything? It was true, all of it. Seraph even admitted as much in his response. Hell, two members even left because of a lack of corp participation, and one was a director (who was supposed to be coming back "in a month" according to Seraph....two months ago). As I said, Seraph agreed that it was, and after corp-wide e-mails from certain high-sec bads sitting in arty ships shooting suspects he finally had to respond in a mail to shut them up. Posting that next post.


Nobody "took offense." It's simply that you never did anything except write angry letters like this one. As for me admitting anything in a response, I'd love to see some proof because it looks like you're lying again. Also, which director left? And what two members left? And the mail I sent wasn't for any "high sec bads with arty." It was for your consistently stupid commentary.

It was worded in a neutral tone in order not to hurt your feelings but I suppose you were too thick to see when someone was bending over backwards to favor you.

Anya Klibor wrote:
There were no mercenary contracts. Oh, there was talk of them happening, but at the end of the day, everyone else moved to Bei for some operation that was hinted at but never materialized. Now they're setting up to "take Molden Heath", which won't happen. No one has the balls to lead a fleet, and anyone who actually attempts a bit of initiative has their balls stepped on by Seraph and his need to micromanage everything.


There were no mercenary contracts in Dodi. There was plenty of lowsec/0.0 things happening but you didn't have the capability to handle that as your killboard shows. And our Molden Heath op was scheduled weeks in advance to begin on the 15th. Perhaps if you had a little bit of reading comprehension you would have realized that.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#42 - 2013-05-14 21:31:28 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Marines hate officers like Seraph, because they get men killed. They are unimaginative. They are linear in thinking. They are, simply put, ineffective.


Being a poster child for poor foreign policy and putting yourself in a **** environment for literally no purpose doesn't make you an authority on anything but that. I've met plenty of people that are soldiers and that are thoughtful respectable people. And I've met plenty of idiots that stumbled into armed services and shoot their mouth off all the time for no reason and probably did jack all. People that have seen actual action are at least somewhat more humbled by the experience than you lead on. So i'm guessing you were irrelevant there as you were in Hades Effect.

Anya Klibor wrote:
I had no problems with these rules, except one. Aside form PvPing in Dodixie, I also ran Incursions. I had Balthazar ask me for ISK at least twice in private, and I refused. I don't hand out ISK except to my friends (I remember one year I bought ten people in my corporation pirate battleship hulls with Tech 2 rigs). When this came out, it was a not-so-subtle jab at those of us making ISK to support our PvP habits. People were being lazy, and they needed handouts. I wasn't giving them. In fact, the corp taxes were raised specifically to gather the money I was making (it was raised to 10%) because I wouldn't hand it out freely. My response was as follows:


This is actually revealing because it shows quite a few signs of pathological problems. Literally nothing was done in the corp specific to you in mind. Nobody wanted to your isk. Nobody asked you for it. And 10 percent tax is pretty standard average. Taxes was perhaps the only way you ever contributed to the corp.

Anya Klibor wrote:
This was th straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. I don't hand out ISK and should not be expected to. Some communist manifesto expecting me to wasn't going to fly. When I was kicked yesterday, it was for bitching about how the corp didn't live up to it's namesake (and yes, I have the damn chat logs saved). It was for telling it like it is. In return for voicing my concerns (something that Serpah said we should feel comfortable in doing), I received this:


Actually from what I heard you were kicked for once again shooting off your mouth stupidly even though you never contributed. You were asked to dock so we can kick your alt and when you refused, the aforementioned happened.

Anya Klibor wrote:
The Damnation I offered to the corp, free of charge for their PvP was destroyed by the corp, simply because I hurt their feelings. I voiced my concerns and bitched them out for their thinking. I bitched them out for, simply put, being a lie. I met the response head-on. I lost a ship that cost me pennies, but I made the point far better than I expected.


This was your boosting alt for all your Dodi "pvp" you did. You didn't contribute anything. But hey you tell yourself whatever you like in order to feel good.

Unless you'd like to address you know, your killboard that shows your incompetence beyond anything Dodi related, I wanted to know if you were done "bad posting" as they say.
Jayne Fillon
#43 - 2013-05-14 22:02:32 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Pass me some? My posts seem irrelevant now.


>munchmunchmu....
>passes popcorn

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Ezek Price
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#44 - 2013-05-14 22:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ezek Price
For claiming to be a professional Marine man, as a paratrooper in the UK, I am ashamed that you're behaving like a high school child when I regard the USMC with high respect.

Also that Director wasnt a Director, he was the forum admin and he had a newborn child when the corp was founded.

Are you going to push the blame around and say he left because of us? The man doesnt even log into EVE, he has a child and a very dear wife to look after. Priorities.

War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.

My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-05-14 22:42:02 UTC
I believe in quality intelligence. If people want to hire you, they should know about the bad as well as the good. If I'm wrong, please, provide evidence rather than anecdotes.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#46 - 2013-05-14 22:51:51 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
I believe in quality intelligence. If people want to hire you, they should know about the bad as well as the good. If I'm wrong, please, provide evidence rather than anecdotes.


I think the fact that you've been proven to be a consistent liar, the killboard and testimony even from Ezek which you assumed for some reason, would side with your rant, qualifies as proof.
Ezek Price
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#47 - 2013-05-14 22:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ezek Price
Quality intelligence, fine, I respect that.

You claim
- We are lazy
- We dont get contracts
- We are beggars

I claim
- We do fleets, cloaky or otherwise
- We get contracts, we're on one and its related to the Bei move. If you'd been in corp one more day you might have been able to leak the full orders I sent out earlier today.
- We have charitable intentions towards our corp bros

I leave the rest to be decided by our clients.

I wrote the goddamn ethics, now its on this forum its there for viewing by everyone. Its also in the public section of our forum.

War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.

My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-05-14 23:48:23 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
I believe in quality intelligence. If people want to hire you, they should know about the bad as well as the good. If I'm wrong, please, provide evidence rather than anecdotes.


I think the fact that you've been proven to be a consistent liar, the killboard and testimony even from Ezek which you assumed for some reason, would side with your rant, qualifies as proof.


"We can't provide any, so we'll say you're ranting and butthurt and say that's proof!"

Provide proof, not anecdotes, once again. Also, please link to battle reports in which this corporation was in a pure corporation BLOPS/Recon fleet. Because I see plenty of losses of recons in systems such as Dodixie. No kills, though.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#49 - 2013-05-14 23:53:53 UTC
You're the one making childish claims about us not doing anything. I showed your killboard and where you were active...mostly Dodixie and numerous stupid losses. I think you're simply irrational and you do not even comprehend simple concepts of logic.
Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#50 - 2013-05-15 11:43:46 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
I believe in quality intelligence. If people want to hire you, they should know about the bad as well as the good. If I'm wrong, please, provide evidence rather than anecdotes.


I think the fact that you've been proven to be a consistent liar, the killboard and testimony even from Ezek which you assumed for some reason, would side with your rant, qualifies as proof.


"We can't provide any, so we'll say you're ranting and butthurt and say that's proof!"

Provide proof, not anecdotes, once again. Also, please link to battle reports in which this corporation was in a pure corporation BLOPS/Recon fleet. Because I see plenty of losses of recons in systems such as Dodixie. No kills, though.


So where's the proof that I begged you for ISK in private?

>>brings water for the thirsty popcorn munchers
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-05-15 17:05:44 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You're the one making childish claims about us not doing anything. I showed your killboard and where you were active...mostly Dodixie and numerous stupid losses. I think you're simply irrational and you do not even comprehend simple concepts of logic.


Okay, let's look at the killboard then.

Let's fly a Pilgrim!

Another hajj inbound!

Let's try something different and use a Rapier!

In fact,I can find no killmails outside of the Damnation you AWOX'd where your corp lives up to it's claims and flies Black Ops or Recons. Stealth Bombers seem to be your thing, and even then only when the rest of your corporation is flying with Bombers Bar, considering you have been banned from the group.

Tell me, what kind of "covert operations specialty CEO" gets banned from a group that is doing what he claims his corp does? And why is it Bombers Bar, a ragtag group of misfits, has better coordination than your special group?

Now I'll admit, I went through the killmails for this month only. No Hades Effect groups where it's what they said they do. No recon fleets. Stealth Bombers mainly, maybe a Rapier or Arazu. But overall, not impressed. No one should be.

And i don't think you get to talk about killboard stats of the person when you haven't been on your own corp's Top 10 list since March, in a corporation with less than 40% activity. Now, make sure your group takes out a recon roam and kills something later so you can post it and say, "SEE?! WE DO IT YOU COMPLETELY LIED!". And make sure you tell someone else (or have someone else post for you!) who has been active to talk **** about killboard stats.

Proof. I see none.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#52 - 2013-05-15 17:11:59 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You're the one making childish claims about us not doing anything. I showed your killboard and where you were active...mostly Dodixie and numerous stupid losses. I think you're simply irrational and you do not even comprehend simple concepts of logic.


Okay, let's look at the killboard then.

Let's fly a Pilgrim!

Another hajj inbound!

Let's try something different and use a Rapier!

In fact,I can find no killmails outside of the Damnation you AWOX'd where your corp lives up to it's claims and flies Black Ops or Recons. Stealth Bombers seem to be your thing, and even then only when the rest of your corporation is flying with Bombers Bar, considering you have been banned from the group.

Tell me, what kind of "covert operations specialty CEO" gets banned from a group that is doing what he claims his corp does? And why is it Bombers Bar, a ragtag group of misfits, has better coordination than your special group?

Now I'll admit, I went through the killmails for this month only. No Hades Effect groups where it's what they said they do. No recon fleets. Stealth Bombers mainly, maybe a Rapier or Arazu. But overall, not impressed. No one should be.

And i don't think you get to talk about killboard stats of the person when you haven't been on your own corp's Top 10 list since March, in a corporation with less than 40% activity. Now, make sure your group takes out a recon roam and kills something later so you can post it and say, "SEE?! WE DO IT YOU COMPLETELY LIED!". And make sure you tell someone else (or have someone else post for you!) who has been active to talk **** about killboard stats.

Proof. I see none.


Funny because you seem to keep ignoring my request of your own proof. What's that say about you, Quen?
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#53 - 2013-05-15 18:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Quen...there's no such thing as a "recon fleet" because the concept is stupid. A cov ops fleet is composed mainly of bombers with recon SUPPORT. Nobody takes out a fleet of Arazus or Falcons because it isn't tactically viable. So yes Stealth bombers are our thing. Learning to read would perhaps help in your confusion as that's kind of the stated purpose of the corp. Perhaps spending a few months outside of Dodi would help you.

The proof is that you make claims about people such as Ezek, and then he denies anything you claimed that he had said. Then you make claims that people were begging you for money...no proof. Then I showed your killboard and the level of your contribution, and it was measly.

So it seems that anything not involving Dodi camping and whining is out of your comprehensive grasp. All you have is erratic claims and glamorous shows of ignorance.

Edit: Also no one AWOXed you. You refused to leave corp so we removed you forcefully.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-05-15 19:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Klibor
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Quen...there's no such thing as a "recon fleet" because the concept is stupid. A cov ops fleet is composed mainly of bombers with recon SUPPORT. Nobody takes out a fleet of Arazus or Falcons because it isn't tactically viable. So yes Stealth bombers are our thing. Learning to read would perhaps help in your confusion as that's kind of the stated purpose of the corp. Perhaps spending a few months outside of Dodi would help you.

The proof is that you make claims about people such as Ezek, and then he denies anything you claimed that he had said. Then you make claims that people were begging you for money...no proof. Then I showed your killboard and the level of your contribution, and it was measly.

So it seems that anything not involving Dodi camping and whining is out of your comprehensive grasp. All you have is erratic claims and glamorous shows of ignorance.

Edit: Also no one AWOXed you. You refused to leave corp so we removed you forcefully.


Take from a Teamspeak recording:

Quendishir: This really is bullshit. I had that plan worked out, I posted it, and it gets **** on by Seraph because he feels he has to prove himself to BB.

Balthazar: It wasn't much of a plan. I mean, "No Falcons" isn't much of a fleet composition. And you specifically wanted us not to use Battleships. That's just...

Quendishir: It was a rough draft of a plan, nothing more. I even said as much in the post! So Seraph ****** us out of kills because he has to command, not lead...

Asian: To be fair, I don't think it was going to work to begin with. They have eyes [in Villore]...

Quendishir: There's more than one way into Old Man Star.

Ezek Price: I hear what you're saying about OpSec, Quen. It was stupid of him to jump the gun like this, and he made the majority of the fleet Condor Bar members. I honestly don't know what to say. This is bad if it's going to be like this. You may be blowing this out of proportion, but I'll admit this is something that needs to be addressed. I'll talk to him.

Quendishir: Well, at least someone's paying attention.

Ezek Price: I'm a para, I know about OpSec.

Quendishir: Semper Fi, brother.

You say you don't do recon fleets at all, and I understand that a pure Recon fleet is silly to expect. At the same time, how many times were Black Ops ships used? Never. Not once, and I was there for every fleet, getting ready. Never once were we cyno'd in. We got blue balled, or people just started filtering out one at a time. In short, it made sense to stay in Dodixie until we got things set up.

There was no organization. There was nothing. You'll also note that I never said "recon fleet". I said Black Ops fleets. In Bombers Bar, your own corporation wasn't providing the recons: they came from other corporations. So much for that "niche role", eh?

I mean, a Pilgrim dying to a Proteus. That is incredible. Tell Escort to go back to staying on the undock. Thanks.

EDIT: And Balth, I'm not ignoring you. To "prove" it would require me to post chat logs, which are forbidden on the forums.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#55 - 2013-05-15 19:31:07 UTC
I really don't know why you are so obsessed with BB. I haven't had the time to fly with them for most of this semester. But I guess you've been frustrated over your little operation for quite a bit. The fact of the matter is that it was poorly planned and had silly concepts such as "no Falcons because it isn't honorable." Stay in Dodi.

As for your "proof", you can type up anything you want on these forums. You provide a warped reality of what actually happened. Condor bar was there...in minimal numbers with a few T1 frigs for fluff. Our targets in OMS weren't even logged in so we went on a roam. Then you continued to ***** and moan like an unwed maid left and right.

How many times were blops used? What difference does it make to you when your killboard shows you hung out in Dodi except for a couple times flying with Condor Bar. But they actually were used in Provi quite a bit. I personally don't like hot drops because it has most of the fleet just sitting idle waiting for 1 or 2 people to find a target. Sitting around doing nothing might be interesting to you but not to me. I prefer to use it only when the target is presenting itself.


So to sum it up, you contributed VERY LITTLE to the corp. All your kills are either in Dodi or on Condor Bar low sec roams. You had a ****** plan and when it wasn't implemented you whined and whined. You were booted after being asked multiple times to tone down your childish attitude culminating in your deluge of tears here. Now for your sake are you done embarrassing yourself?
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-05-15 19:37:04 UTC
Funny, because in a corp-wide mail, you actively praised me for sacrificing and supporting the corporation to the extent I have.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Zak Fey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-05-15 19:41:38 UTC
I for one enjoy all the free bumps we are getting.
*popcorn*
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#58 - 2013-05-15 19:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Anya Klibor wrote:
Funny, because in a corp-wide mail, you actively praised me for sacrificing and supporting the corporation to the extent I have.



Do you think this was done for any other reason than to try to gain you support when everyone was telling me to boot you for your childish attitude?

Edit: and what was your sacrifice? You destroyed (supposedly) some of your implants. You stated the reason you did this because you were afraid to leave high sec with a head full of implants. I personally would be too embarrassed to admit such a thing as avoiding actual PVP in non high-sec space in fear of losing implants, so props to you there I guess.
Jayne Fillon
#59 - 2013-05-15 19:53:01 UTC
My sweet mother of **** I just didn't have enough popcorn after all.

>gets some pretzels...

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#60 - 2013-05-15 20:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Balthazar Lestrane
Anya Klibor wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Quen...there's no such thing as a "recon fleet" because the concept is stupid. A cov ops fleet is composed mainly of bombers with recon SUPPORT. Nobody takes out a fleet of Arazus or Falcons because it isn't tactically viable. So yes Stealth bombers are our thing. Learning to read would perhaps help in your confusion as that's kind of the stated purpose of the corp. Perhaps spending a few months outside of Dodi would help you.

The proof is that you make claims about people such as Ezek, and then he denies anything you claimed that he had said. Then you make claims that people were begging you for money...no proof. Then I showed your killboard and the level of your contribution, and it was measly.

So it seems that anything not involving Dodi camping and whining is out of your comprehensive grasp. All you have is erratic claims and glamorous shows of ignorance.

Edit: Also no one AWOXed you. You refused to leave corp so we removed you forcefully.


Take from a Teamspeak recording:

Quendishir: This really is bullshit. I had that plan worked out, I posted it, and it gets **** on by Seraph because he feels he has to prove himself to BB.

Balthazar: It wasn't much of a plan. I mean, "No Falcons" isn't much of a fleet composition. And you specifically wanted us not to use Battleships. That's just...

Quendishir: It was a rough draft of a plan, nothing more. I even said as much in the post! So Seraph ****** us out of kills because he has to command, not lead...

Asian: To be fair, I don't think it was going to work to begin with. They have eyes [in Villore]...

Quendishir: There's more than one way into Old Man Star.

Ezek Price: I hear what you're saying about OpSec, Quen. It was stupid of him to jump the gun like this, and he made the majority of the fleet Condor Bar members. I honestly don't know what to say. This is bad if it's going to be like this. You may be blowing this out of proportion, but I'll admit this is something that needs to be addressed. I'll talk to him.

Quendishir: Well, at least someone's paying attention.

Ezek Price: I'm a para, I know about OpSec.

Quendishir: Semper Fi, brother.

You say you don't do recon fleets at all, and I understand that a pure Recon fleet is silly to expect. At the same time, how many times were Black Ops ships used? Never. Not once, and I was there for every fleet, getting ready. Never once were we cyno'd in. We got blue balled, or people just started filtering out one at a time. In short, it made sense to stay in Dodixie until we got things set up.

There was no organization. There was nothing. You'll also note that I never said "recon fleet". I said Black Ops fleets. In Bombers Bar, your own corporation wasn't providing the recons: they came from other corporations. So much for that "niche role", eh?

I mean, a Pilgrim dying to a Proteus. That is incredible. Tell Escort to go back to staying on the undock. Thanks.

EDIT: And Balth, I'm not ignoring you. To "prove" it would require me to post chat logs, which are forbidden on the forums.


You should read the Forum rules page. If you can read. Doesn't mention chat logs anywhere.

http://hades.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17084208

Successful Hot Drop. I notice you aren't on the killmail either..

Edit: I also should mention that it was hosted by Bomber's Bar.. and look! One of Hades Effect is fielding a Recon!