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Dev blog: Dual Character Training

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CCP Guard
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C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-05-15 15:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
As some of you have seen on our test server Singularity, the option to train alts on the same account for PLEX is being implemented. To further explain the details of this sought after function, CCP Quant and CCP Ytterbium have written a new dev blog which we invite you to feast your eyes on.

And of course we eagerly await your feedback and questions as always.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2013-05-15 16:00:28 UTC
Awesome!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#3 - 2013-05-15 16:02:38 UTC
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David Magnus
#4 - 2013-05-15 16:04:40 UTC
This is a great additional feature that will be very useful in lots of circumstances!

It's not a replacement for alt accounts, but is perfect for training up a fixed-skillpoint alt for a specific job when you don't want or need to have a full second account always subscribed.

Thank you very much!

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#5 - 2013-05-15 16:05:56 UTC
Going to have to take out a mortgage to keep up now

Yaay!!!!

Rico Ramos
See Red
#6 - 2013-05-15 16:07:03 UTC
This to me is by far the best feature you ever added to this great game! Now I can train my alt, I made years ago. Pirate

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-15 16:07:13 UTC
A nice convenience and usability improvement for alt training. Thank you.
Roajax
Go For Broke
#8 - 2013-05-15 16:11:25 UTC
Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.

IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.
DmitryEKT
AMMO INC
#9 - 2013-05-15 16:12:22 UTC
Will we have triple training as an option too?
xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-05-15 16:13:32 UTC
Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?

Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:

1) Log out
2) Log in the character currently training and pause it.
3) Log out again
4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.

Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-15 16:15:19 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE

always wanted to post it for a CCP dev blog. Now I finally have a chance :)


speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex?
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#12 - 2013-05-15 16:16:28 UTC
Nifty feature. I approve.
xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-05-15 16:17:41 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:


speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex?


You can buy plex for money from the account management page.
Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
#14 - 2013-05-15 16:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkyrs
Very interesting! I currently don't have an alt but I use the two on my account fairly often. Training multiple accounts could be useful indeed!

It might also be nice to divide SP per hour between characters, so I can enable training on another character, then pause it when I want my main to go back to full speed. I understand this is a more complicated case though.

Since the PLEX/15$ I spent on my main is essentially paying for bandwidth, the content, enhancements, etc, and aside from the training queue advancing, can we get more for the PLEX?

Either:

A dual training character can log in simultaneously as the main account, or
The second training queue provides a slightly longer period. (40 days? 45?)

I like the feature either way and will likely use it, but you are charging a full PLEX for something that has little to no impact to your system.

I hope hot-swapping characters is on the table next!

Keep it up CCP.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-05-15 16:19:32 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Awesome!


You didn't say loud enough so i fixed.
CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp
#16 - 2013-05-15 16:20:57 UTC
Roajax wrote:
Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.

IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.


This is a HUGE task. Really big emphasis on how difficult this is. Not comparable in scope to what we had to do for this feature.

xttz wrote:
Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?

Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:

1) Log out
2) Log in the character currently training and pause it.
3) Log out again
4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.

Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?


It's funny because we were just discussing how the technical changes implemented to allow for this feature would also allow for pausing a character you are not logged into. Not likely to make it for Odyssey but certainly something we will consider for the future.

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Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
#17 - 2013-05-15 16:21:43 UTC
xttz wrote:
...Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?


I've always wondered this as well! Especially when I THOUGHT I paused the queue, only to have to go back again. Or when I went to make dinner and forgot I wasn't training until the next day. If it's smart enough to realize someone else is training, please offer to pause it and start it on the current character.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#18 - 2013-05-15 16:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Excellent call. Cool

Oh, there'll be complaints and conspiracy theories, and accusations of "pay to win" but I can't see that this makes a game-breaking change. Sure, people who PLEX will gain in flexibility and capability, but if they're able to PLEX this, well, they've already more-or-less 'won' at EVE anyway, so what's the point in complaining?

Where I see the largest complaints coming is from the fact that this capability would've vastly eased dealing with the Battlecruiser teircide update.
My response those (still imaginary - for now!) complaints is - "It's here now, and all future updates to skill progress will benefit. Deal."


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Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
#19 - 2013-05-15 16:23:57 UTC
Meh.

I know I am in the minority on this but I think alts in this game are stupid, period.

This MMO doesn't have class/race/faction restrictions of any kind so there is no good reason to have more than one character.

All they do is reduce the need for players to work together, whether it's industry, PVE, or PVP. They also players to avoid responsibility by hiding behind things like forum alts, throw away neutral spies, and things like being a super-cap pilot no longer has to be a lifestyle choice, just an alt you log when needed.

This just makes the problem worse.

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Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd.
#20 - 2013-05-15 16:25:04 UTC
This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents Roll, i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option.
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