Wormholes

Seriously right?!?

Right now here is my interaction with k-space: Run out into Jita/Amarr with one of my alts, sprinting the whole way like I'm a mouse in broad daylight, sell loot, turn around, bring back stront/ammo/fuel, shut myself off from that world by crushing and continue to be a w-spacer.

Low-sec? Bring in capital ship, throw another capital ship through and back, crush it.

Null-sec? Ice Miners/Ratters in system? No? Do I need security status? No? Crush.

You couldn't pay me to interact with K-space more than I already do because I'm such a squirrelly (new word!) little wormholer.

Svo.

It's funny what's become of 'us'.

We don't need your stinking K-Space...

How much fuel do I have left...8 weeks...damn I'm going to have to go to Jita soon. I'd really rather not.

How much loot do I have in here? I should probably move some of that out to reduce my asset count in here, means I have to go to K-Space. I'd really rather not. I'll just fill up some GSC at a safe for now.

Doing a fuel run hitting D-Scan every so often and getting that massive list of rubbish in the system, and you get the hair stand up on your neck...then saying 'STOP CLICKING IT'

I started a thread in the assembly hall forum a few days ago:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2954516#post2954516

I don't care where the stuff, out of which the fuel blocks I pick up in Jita were made, comes from. What's this obsession with ice? I'm thinking mostly people just want it because it's something nullsec has and we don't, which makes you jealous :p

If ice harvesting provided different gameplay than ore I'd understand, but I don't see any difference between activating a miner module on an object labeled "Arkonor" or activating an ice harvester module on an object named "green mint" or whatever those ice chunks are called.

This is pretty much it. There is no actual reason why there is no ice in Wormholes. The whole Kspace interaction is handled by alts, or logistic officers, who are alts.

Need something from Kspace, logistic officer gets an order (need more strong and xl ammo), logi officer logs alt on, leaves wormhole, goes to jita, amarr, dodixie, etc, picks up stuff, warps back to hole, brings it in.

The Person making the request never left the wormhole, the main character of the logistic's pilot never left the wormhole, some 1 million SP alt in a bestower,iteron,badger did to bring stuff in.

Wait they should use a blockade runner/deep space transport/orca!!!

The deep space transport's just a expensive iteron, it "may" deter a solo tackle, but drop a Interdictor, bubble, etc, its dead. Drop more than 1 ship, its dead.

The Blockade Runner only works if by some magical miracle roll of the dice when you enter the wormhole, you spawn over 2km from the hole , where you can initiate cloak immediately (if anything is within 2000 of you, cannot initiate cloak, the most viable culprit here is the wormhole itself, which will drop you anywhere from 1000 to 4000. Role of dice.

The Orca... generally you have backup to help it through.

Point is, there is no real K-space interaction except for some alt to grab fuel and bring it in. And to be completely honest, the wormhole people ARE COMPLETELY FINE with not having to interact with K-space (Just like people who are in Nullsec having no reason to interact with highsec). If they want to get to k-space, they will figure a way to get there. Right now, locking ice to just that area is incredibly single-minded, rigid and inflexible. The developers magically created new dynamic content by complete accident. Now the people who play in it are asking for equal treatment (Heck, were asking for a part to fix our 68 dodge), to which the developers are looking at them like they are green aliens asking for food in a language the developers don't understand.

It is quite simple.


1) Spawn random ice fields in wormholes, just like grav belts spawn now. If you don't like that, then make new wormhole space with no moons to anchor towers, and ice belts in there.
2) Create a viable hauler for use by people in wormholes (they lose every logistical advantage the lowsec and nullsec people have regarding hauling (Most viable ship change for this would be the deep space transport)
3) Create "Some" security for the people in POS's. While the whole "Roles review" may take another decade because it was written in Turbo Pascal, you can at minimum get the secure SMA's, working.

The people live in space, literally. We have no stations, no comforts the highsec'rs, lowsecer's and nullsecer's have. All we are asking is for some gameplay. We rely on ice, we would like to mine it, we would love to mine it in wormholes.

The "Must interact with K-space" argument is over. If K-space wants interaction, they can come to us.

Think I detoured a bit there, but I am in a bit of a ranty mood

Quality of life CCP. Quality of life.

Pretty much the first decade of EVE in a nutshell.

Regardless, I would have to be seriously bored to resort to ice mining, in a wormhole or otherwise.