EVE General Discussion

I love the new nebulae, They're simply beautiful and when CCP said they will be making nebulae darker and more sinister when it goes into more unsecured space, PLUS the fact that they were going to make it so you have a sense of direction in the universal anomalies and phenomenon, I was horrified when i saw that the wormhole systems will not be getting new nebulae.

At the moment, Wormhole systems are kinda cool i must admit, but when you bring in the brand spanking new nebulae into the known space, The unknown space which is actually the most dangerous in all eve in some aspects, Is being left behind.

Here is my proposal, And i dear to god hope that i get support from both the playerbase and even CSM or devs themselves.


A), Stick to your content promise which you have just recently made, and DO NOT THROW THINGS OUT EARLY. I will be mortified if i log onto my home C6 and not see the nebulae in its full glory. If your going to bring out a whole new form of art into a currently beautiful game, Then rework it all and release it at once.

B) I really don't doubt that you have a wormhole structure in your database. I would laugh pretty hard if you just put wormholes and random locations and gave them random statics. I have heard stories of a mirror image of the known universe, Where the C6's and the like are at one end, the low and nullsec end, Making the majority of their statics lowsec and null, and then the c1's having the highsec end for the majority of highsec statics (i'm not saying that this is always the case, As statics are also probable for unknown space as well.) In the case that you DO have a wormhole structure, Give us a sense of direction with the nebulae as you are with the known space. It will bring in a huge amount of research into making maps, and it will let players say "Oh my god we're near here", In a place where they have never been before.



Please, find it in your hearts for us wormholers :<

Legwarmer.

This is what you're looking for. That said, even if there are regions and such in the database for w-space, would you rather have the art team spend time working on making you new nebulae that won't really mean anything because they will still appear random, (especially when your current ones are 'good enough') or would you rather have them working on modular POSes? Last I heard, it was the art team that's holding up the show on a LOT of features.

edit: for all we know, the WH's already use nebulae based on your location in 3D space. And even if they did, so what? It's not like your location in 3D space in w-space means anything at all, as far as anyone has been able to reliably determine.

I too am disapointed. Given how long the base artwork took to create for k-space, I doubt there will be any changes to w-space backdrops anytime soon...

Maybe just paint it black....

/emo.

Sure,

And given that we're getting corp bookmarks, I'll live.

It makes sense to not make new sky boxes for w-space.

The new sky boxes are generated from a 3D model. CCP artists place the nebula in a 3D physical representation of EVE and the system kicks out cube maps for each region of space based on its relationship to the nebula. This allows for the nebula to always appear in the right spot and the artists don't have to try and guess how small/big or where a nebula should be placed when painting the cube map.

The limiter here is that each cube map that the system out puts needs a lot of work done to it before you get the quality you see in the dev blog. That is the main reason why the smallest change is at the region level and not system level.

So if CCP was to provide new cube maps for w-space they would need to give away how the systems are physically organized (which if you look at the data dump they do have a physical placement in the universe) which would break the lore of the w-space systems being in unknown locations. The other problem is that if CCP broke the nebula down to region level in w-space they would either have to lose the variance in wormhole class or they would need a lot more nebula. Four (I think there are four nebula representing the different wormhole classes.) for each region instead of just one. So to use the new system CCP would have to break the lore of wormhole systems being in unknown locations (even relative to each other) and they would either have to forget making them different based on wormhole class or have four times more work to do.

If CCP does not use the new system to make the nebula have physical locations then there is no reason to redoing them at all since they are already higher resolution and look fantastic.

I say leave w-space as an unknown and enjoy the current sky boxes.

If enough of your tears spill into space, you can make your own nebulae.

Our tears, they will blot out the sun.

think of it as incentive to come out of your cave and play eve with the rest of us