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Breaking News: Opux Luxury Yacht carrying Jolee and Ting Hanvyner destroyed in Tierijev

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Tobias Annages
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-15 05:02:14 UTC
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Tierijev - An Opux Luxury Yacht on a cruise through Verge Vendor was destroyed today, killing all the passengers aboard as well as the captain and crew. The yacht was notably carrying musician Jolee Hanvyner and wife Ting, who recently were acquitted by the Gallente Federation of having been involved in treason and military espionage. Both Hanvyers were among the casualty list.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-15 05:57:44 UTC
My condolences to the families of both women.
I hope that the perpetrators of this attack are found and brought to justice, whoever they may be

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Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
#3 - 2013-05-15 07:18:27 UTC
This appears to be an assasination.

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Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, but also featured "notable differences" which have made it difficult to trace. The matter is being investigated as a case of piracy.


I hereby call upon the authorities to investigate this not as a case of piracy but as a case of assassination!

2 high-profile people, who had recently been acquitted by our Supreme Court, were on board.
This case, The People Vs Hayner, has been highly reported about especially in the handling of the case and the verdict.

Heinel Coventina
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-15 07:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinel Coventina
Meghel wrote:
This appears to be an assasination.

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Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, but also featured "notable differences" which have made it difficult to trace. The matter is being investigated as a case of piracy.


I hereby call upon the authorities to investigate this not as a case of piracy but as a case of assassination!

2 high-profile people, who had recently been acquitted by our Supreme Court, were on board.
This case, The People Vs Hayner, has been highly reported about especially in the handling of the case and the verdict.



If you're serious about the call, here's who you should contact:

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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#5 - 2013-05-15 08:01:56 UTC
Damn.

That's an expensive ship loss.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2013-05-15 09:04:51 UTC
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Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, ...


Wonder who was behind this, Cladari or Gallente intelligence.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-05-15 09:21:46 UTC
Perhaps they used this new rumored 'navy' Drake. This would implicate the Caldari.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#8 - 2013-05-15 10:17:51 UTC
Mentas Blaque, I expected so much more from you. At least -try- to be a bit interesting with your assassinations.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-05-15 11:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:

That's an expensive ship loss.

I was under the impression that only Opux chassis modified for capsule use were rare.
The population of non-capsule ships is different, though I admit I lack numbers regarding many of them including the Opux.

kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Perhaps they used this new rumored 'navy' Drake. This would implicate the Caldari.

How did they get their hands on something that is still likely undergoing trials by the Navy?
That's a bit disturbing.


I should have expected Blaque would have those people assassinated after the courts realized he was blowing smoke up their ass.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#10 - 2013-05-15 11:24:27 UTC
What, no killmail?

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-05-15 11:55:30 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
What, no killmail?

Good point...the combat records might have some clues to the identity of the perpetrator in them. Maybe that's why they haven't been released?
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2013-05-15 12:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
They never said the perpetrator was a capsuleer, and theres a chance the captain wasn't either.
Non-capsuleer combat doesn't get logged the same way.
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2013-05-15 12:44:23 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
They never said the perpetrator was a capsuleer, and theres a chance the captain wasn't either.
Those don't generally get logged through neocom.


A loss record would still be somewhere, anywhere. I'll be heading to Tierijev to see what's up.

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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-05-15 12:52:21 UTC
personally I'm curious of the ship that was used in the attack similar to drake hull but with notable differences? id like to know what kind of differences since drake hull is fairly distinctive even from extreme range sensors.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#15 - 2013-05-15 13:14:43 UTC
Oh look, conspiracy theorists assembled again.

A case of random piracy, a design similar to a Drake, but different; I'd say it's quite obvious the Guristas did it.

But let's cater to the conspiracy a bit; if it were a Navy Drake as someone suggested, why would the Caldari State be interested in assassinating 2 people who have been a notable thorn in Federation's side? As much as I enjoy pointing out what kind of a hypocritical mess the Federation is, this time the numbers just don't add up.
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Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2013-05-15 13:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Naraish Adarn wrote:
personally I'm curious of the ship that was used in the attack similar to drake hull but with notable differences? id like to know what kind of differences since drake hull is fairly distinctive even from extreme range sensors.


Would need to be a long, flat, and either angled or curved ship. I can't think of any ships the size of a Drake that'd fit that description off the top of my head. Not even the Jove have a ship that shape.

Honestly, I'm going Occam's razor on this. This story is based on 'data' that makes too many assumptions:


  1. The Caldari have the funds and need to develop a new Drake protoype during a period of internal issues. The Caldari are not the kind to mess with someone elses house while their's is in disarray. Heth being the exception. But what prevents him from killing these two you say? Point 2.

  2. The Caldari would want to kill the pair of them despite seemingly sending them information on the Federal Navy. Even if they didn't, why would the Caldari want to kill them if the pair didn't really effect the State? Or ANYONE for that matter save for the Fed.

  3. The pair would openly go out on a cruise right after this whole fiasco. Sure they might want to relax, but would they risk it (especially since one was military) knowing they might be targeted due to recent events as opposed to waiting the storm out?


Before anyone says anything, the above is less assumption and more inference based on my own experience. Now, let's look at the other possibility given the FIO's track record. Data manipulation utilized to mask a ship to look like a weird Drake, which is then fed to the media. Why is this more credible than above? Let's see:


  1. FIO is known for its underhanded tactics, press black outs, and data manipulation. They have come under scrutiny multiple times for it (i.e. the Midular incident).

  2. There would be no need for an experimental Drake. Sensor logs can be faked. It's easier.

  3. Framing the Caldari in a bad light is something FIO (all very nationalist) loves to do. 'We need to kill them...blame the Caldari!'


Trying to say the Caldari did it makes too many far fetched assumptions. Saying it's an FIO op makes more credible inferences. But then there's the independent pirate/capsuleer angle:


  1. No assumptions really. Someone saw the Yacht and ganked it. HOWEVER, this assumes that a capsuleer did it. Which apparently is not true. The last ship killed in Tierijev was a Myrmidion a few days ago. Since then, there's been nothing.


The possibility that the above kill was prevented from being registered or perhaps removed is possible, however. But given how eggers are prone to vice, I can't imagine someone wouldn't register the kill to show off. Even if the Hanvyners were on the ship, they wouldn't hide it. They'd probably be more proud at the outcry they'd cause.

So we have three potential situations, one of which has the more credible assumptions, one has more far out assumptions, and another even FARTHER out. I won't even talk about the possibility of a baseline pirate ship, as I doubt a mortal crew would die at CONCORD's hands just to gank a yacht in a 0.8 system with limited possibility of a big pay day. A freighter, maybe. A yacht? Eh...

This is just how I interpret the situation. But given the layout of how things are going, the whole PIRATES DID IT or THE CALDARI DID IT is too convenient and makes too many assumptions.

Recent news and action within the Federation just seems to be more and more nationalist prone. We have incidents occurring between ethnic Gallente and ethnic Minmatar within our borders, regardless of citizenship, giving rise to anti-Minmatar sentiment. Now, we have the possibility of a Caldari vessel being implicated in the death of a well loved musician and her loyal partner from the Federal Military fresh on the heels of worsening relations between ethnic Gallente and ethinc Caldari following the Caldari Prime incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the Amarr suddenly popped up on the feed as to blame for a slave raid on a Federal border world. I am not assuming anything here, I am simply stating what I have observed and making inference as such. Perhaps I'm too sensitive to the recent bouts of nationalism and racism, but the fact remains that they are there, and seemingly increasing.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2013-05-15 13:31:53 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
if it were a Navy Drake as someone suggested, why would the Caldari State be interested in assassinating 2 people who have been a notable thorn in Federation's side?
Yes, because nobody ever steals ships, and the Guristas especially have never stolen naval property.

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As much as I enjoy pointing out what kind of a hypocritical mess the Federation is, this time the numbers just don't add up.

It is awful convenient that someone Mentas Blaque was going after just happens to get killed after being acquitted of what the FIO was accusing them of.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-15 14:23:25 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
What, no killmail?


Not if there were no independent capsuleers involved. We only generate them because we're constantly monitored by CONCORD. There's a lot of ships out there who don't generate any of the DED paperwork we're used to.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#19 - 2013-05-15 15:24:16 UTC
Although I won't speculate as to who I believe is behind this murderous act, I agree with others that there's a lot more to this than meets the eye. I don't buy the official explanation of simple piracy. I hope that eventually we'll learn the truth and that the perpetrator(s) are held accountable.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#20 - 2013-05-15 15:36:43 UTC
Entirely plausible that Black Ops groups from all Empires possess the blueprints to each others vessels, and have more advanced technology upgraded within. A Drake platform is exactly that, a Drake platform that could be operated by Gallente, Minmater or even the Sisters of Eve were they so inclined.

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