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BIG NEWS - wine 1.5.26, overrides, and CQ
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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-04-18 20:54:59 UTC
Running gentoo, Eve works very well with the wine version built from portage - even CQ works, but the ingame browser crashes. Using a pre-built version from playonlinux, CQ crashes, but the ingame browser works. Very, very strange.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-19 14:53:58 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Running gentoo, Eve works very well with the wine version built from portage - even CQ works, but the ingame browser crashes. Using a pre-built version from playonlinux, CQ crashes, but the ingame browser works. Very, very strange.


Playonlinux creates a dedicated wine build cache for eve which usually is an older version than the most current one available.
It tries to use the most optimal wine for the application you want to run.
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
#23 - 2013-04-19 19:54:16 UTC
Greg Arosa wrote:
CCP is not obliged to support EVE on Linux, and yet some of the devs still do that (not officially though).
And I'm not obliged to give them money. Nicely symmetrical.

I'm not sure why you're eager to accept low-quality work.

Greg Arosa wrote:
EVE runs flawlessly on its target platforms - Windows and Mac,
Oh, does it, now? =chuckle= I see you've never run it on a Mac. Hell, I've run it on a Mac, and on the Mac I've had to resort to running it under Wine to get it to work. I guess you've got a very short memory.

Greg Arosa wrote:
so generally speaking it is YOUR problem if you cannot run EVE on Linux for some reason.
Wow. Take a class on economics sometime. Ain't my problem, it's CCP's problem, and it's one they'll fix if they don't want better-equipped companies to eat their lunch.

Greg Arosa wrote:
p.s. CAN I HAZ UR STUFF?/
Yeah, sure. I don't need my ISK any more. Send some to me and I'll send back TWICE as much!

Now, that said, there are many things I like about Eve, and I'll be happy to renew my subscriptions if I hear the right noises come out of CCP.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-04-20 09:51:00 UTC
Publius Victrix wrote:
Wow. Take a class on economics sometime. Ain't my problem, it's CCP's problem, and it's one they'll fix if they don't want better-equipped companies to eat their lunch.


In the same class, I hope they teach what is the cost of officially supporting a different platform in videogame industry.

They will happily lose the linux customers, if that makes them save twice the money they'd gain from them. After all, they already did it, in Apocrypha, when they stopped releasing their official Linux client. The costs didn't gain them any relevant gain.

If you use anything - equipment, services, whatever really - beyond the scope of its intended, documented use and against the requirements and recommendations of the provider, it becomes your problem.

Or you're so naive to tell me that if you take a non-sealed, non-waterproof notebook, and pretend to use it underwater, comfortably sit on the floor of a pool, and it breaks, it's the manufacturer problem to fix it for you?

Go ahead, give your money to the CCP competitor that produces an EVE-alike MMORPG and that has full support of your Linux setup and will fix its product to run flawlessly in the godzillion different distro/hardware/library configs out there. Can't wait to see you awarding them your hard earned money.

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#25 - 2013-04-20 11:18:28 UTC
Publius Victrix wrote:
I'm not sure why you're eager to accept low-quality work.

You're complaining about someone else's "low quality" work, but somehow it's too much for you to run winetricks vcrun2008 (something about the pot calling the kettle black?)
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-04-20 12:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
CCP doesn't develop or promote Eve for Linux, so why do you expect it to run at all? Do you buy a fork and complain, that it's not a spoon and doesn't work well with your soup?

Eve is sold for, made for, runs fine on and does get official support for Windows. It is not however made for Linux, doesn't officially support Linux and still does work rather well on Linux, mainly due to the efforts of the Linux community - this is how it is for most commercial games.

CCP is already ahead of most gaming companies these days by acknlowledging that there is such a thing as a Linux-gaming-community, having a Linux forum and a few Linux savvy guys unofficially helping out every now and then. Linux is not as big a market as Windows and not as "trendy" as OSX, so in the eyes of most companies, Linux doesn't even exist.
Greg Arosa
Sebiestor Tribe
#27 - 2013-04-20 20:09:37 UTC
Publius Victrix wrote:
Greg Arosa wrote:
CCP is not obliged to support EVE on Linux, and yet some of the devs still do that (not officially though).
And I'm not obliged to give them money. Nicely symmetrical.


https://secure.eveonline.com/CancelSubscription.aspx

You know what to do. Make it simple, and stop whining already.
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
#28 - 2013-04-21 14:40:58 UTC
Greg Arosa wrote:
You know what to do. Make it simple, and stop whining already.

Learn to read. Already did that.

Funny, Warcraft doesn't have the issues Eve has, and somehow Blizzard seems more successful at the same time. I guess the cost of a few tester hours a week isn't too much for them.

But you're all absolutely right, it's going to be more useful supporting Guild Software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_Online

As for my being too lazy to run "winetricks vc2008", I find it interesting that I'm the only person I've seen on here who has a configuration that lets me into Captain's Quarters, through a Mickey Mouse combination of different Wine versions with different capabilities. I can *make* it all run, but I'm sick of having to futz around with it.

Again, the code is low enough quality that they're exposing bugs in Wine. Warcraft, which pushes capabilities and hardware far harder, has no such issues. (Warcraft's bugs are all nicely cross-platform.)

Greg, could you tell me I'm whining some more before my account runs out? You seem to like to do that, so I'm happy supporting your self-actualization as an Internet troll.

Big smile
Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-04-21 14:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Concurssi Mellenar
"Hey guys, I've got a great idea: let's do something that will give us only negligible, or possibly even negative returns!"
- Publius Victrix on his first day as CEO of GonnaFail Ltd.


As much as I'd like for CCP to improve Linux compatibility (or even better, make a working Linux client), it's not going to happen, at least not any time soon (I really hope the Linux gaming market keeps growing, so that this would eventually become profitable). There are really only two kinds of businesses that do unprofitable things: the unsuccesful ones, and the huge ones that have been around for ages, and survived by making smart business decisions in their early life.

Video games are the only thing keeping me from switching from Windows to Linux full time, so believe me when I say that I really do wish Eve worked better on Linux. But it just wouldn't be worth it for CCP at the moment.

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
#30 - 2013-04-21 15:20:32 UTC
I don't think I'd seen this before:

Vendetta Online intro video
Kontalaa
New Eden Trading Association
#31 - 2013-04-26 11:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kontalaa
CQ and IGB/https work for me now.

Using wine 1.15.28 with NO dll-overrides (besides disabling dx11) on Ubuntu 12.10 (64 bit)

i would assume that the launcher crashes (as i bypassed it) but wtih dynamic dll-overrides for launcher/eve this should work.

Graphics are horrible (by default) as there are major errors in displaying (lighting completely off etc.)
[screenshot]

Edit: Texture Glitches are from "shader quality: High" on low it looks better.

My "launcher-script" is as follows:
eve.sh

"./eve.sh patch" gets the patcher setup correctly
"./eve.sh [number]" gets me an eve-desktop.

this script grew over time so some parts of it might be defect. Adjust to your needs.

Edit2:
Voice worked for me as well, last time i tried. So it looks to me that eve is 100% operational with some hassle (not being able to use the best graphic-settings, not being able to use the launcher/patcher properly) - but nothing that wont work AT ALL.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-05-02 13:43:15 UTC
@Publius, I played Vendetta Online extensively.

I'm the winner of the 100th Deneb Run, and had a decent career in racing as "Katrina Le-Feir", from DR#75 to DR#117.

This is my VO wiki page: http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/User:Syylk

While it's true that Vendetta has a fully native Linux client, comparing it to EVE is quite bold! Especially the Massive part of MMORPG, and the player-driven narrative: I have more people docked here in my 0.0 station right now than all the players in Vendetta online together when I was still playing.

Said that, by all means feel free to support Guild! But remember that what Linux needs are vocal nerds asking for support to the software houses, not whiners who grab the ball and go home when things go a bit rough, screaming they're not treated fairly as customers.

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Dena DiStellar
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#33 - 2013-05-13 00:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dena DiStellar
@Kontalaa

Thanks! That script was a big help. Eve stopped working on my laptop after I upgraded wine (currently running wine 1.5.29 and Ubuntu 12.04). But now I have everything up and running again (except Captain’s Quarters, but who cares...). I also didn't bother testing Eve Voice since I never use it.

My graphics look great, I noticed the script uses "optirun" for some options and not others. Was that screenshot using the nvidia or intel graphics chip (I'm assuming that your machine also uses the "Optimus" dual graphics setup)? I get weird graphics glitches when I accidentally forget to use optirun and run Eve on Intel graphics instead.
Kontalaa
New Eden Trading Association
#34 - 2013-05-15 09:13:34 UTC
ye, im running dual-graphics on my laptop.

the issue with much stuff not having optirun is due to the fact that i just copied the script from my main-machine (with only a dedicated nvidia-card).

The screenshot was with optirun - it would lag horribly on my intel :D
Armon Ral
#35 - 2013-05-25 12:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Armon Ral
As a Linux-only user, I worry that the future is dark, but maybe there will be some possibility.

What are the chances that the future login-less client could somehow be logged-in without launcher anyway?
The launcher may do something along the lines of one of the following:

1. After login, pass some sort of session key is passed as command-line parameter to the client - I'm screwed.
2. After login, starts the client, and the client checks for single-sign-on at the server - client still needs some parameter from the launcher - possibility of determining parameters and imitate launcher behavior (if it's not a session key)
3. Like 2, but login with a "launcher id", so when the client starts, the server knows the login was performed by the launcher specifically - screwed.

Possibly other options, but #1 seems the most logical option :(

Any thoughts?

Edit: Seems this got posted in the wrong thread, was intended for the "new launcher" - thread...
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