EVE General Discussion

If you live in Nullsec then with ratting alone you'll make 20mil isk ticks (20mil every 20 min) and that's without doing anything special. With 2 toons ratting you can easily make double that or more and that's not including faction spawns or escalations.

I want to know where this guy PVP's because it sounds like he insta-dies every time he undocks (must be from Test :)). Anyway I'd like to give him a visit.

@ OP. You can certainly improve your chances. Fly logistics (you'll be behind the fleet and probably not in bubbles as often) or fly a command ship which are usually not primaried unless you're the FC and they know you because they're a hard target to kill unless you strip off some of their logistics first. That will improve your survival rate.

Ah.... the smell of forum epeen in the morning.

Looking past the passive agressive answer, the advice is solid. If the op is really worried about losing his clone then he has options. I'm pointing out some of them but he has others, such as:

- to change his game. Move to low-sec or try out FW, where losing a pod is a rarity,
- likewise (as already pointed out) make a choice of ship that isn't such an easy target
- rat/mine (or whatever) a little more so he doesn't have to cry about being space-poor
- Learn some of the passive isk making things in the game like PI that would easily pay for all the clones he loses in exchange for an hour of tending to planets in a week
- create a Jita alt and do some semi-afk trading....

... .or any number of other ideas. The game is vast, his options are many but they boil down into two main ideas:

- reduce your risk of losing the clone if it's such a big deal
- make more money so the costs are in line with your income

Making ISK in this game is dead easy but if his aversion to doing so is THAT big and he wants to pvp ALL the time then it's still possible to be space rich. Many alliances pay their FC's isk (or items like PLEX) for the work they do. He's played long enough so maybe it's time for him to step up his game and sit in the big chair....

I'm just saying.

there is one "why" you are asking for: CONSEQUENCES

there are some useless FC's out there who should wear the cost of some of my 150m SP clones

you know who you are

so my main is now byes byes in hs all warm and cuddly

also re clone costs .... to damn high agree with op .... show ccp loyalty, play the game for years and actually participate in game mechanics, you risk the cost of multi-million isk clones everytime

confirming that i dont pvp because i need to pay 60m everytime i lose a clone

1. The most complaints about clones come from people who pvp in 0.0 and wormholes where you can't save your pod because of bubbles. This isn't player choice; it's circumstance. The alternative here is to pvp less, something that's not good for EVE.

2. ????? You typed some gibberish here that I don't understand at all, but I'll try to address it anyway...somehow.

You're basically advocating punishing older players for playing the game here it seems. This theme has been addressed by multiple people in this thread already so I really don't see why you still bring it up. The alternatives to high cone costs in this case are either to not train skills, or not pvp. Once again, this is not good for EVE.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that you're trying to play devil's advocate here, but you're not very good at it. Your arguments consist of advocating something that's entirely impossible and regurgitated statements made by people who by and large have already been defeated.

You are not "locked out" in any way shape or form. It sounds like loosing your pod would sting a little bit, that is a good thing, working as intended.

It only looks that way because you are tired and probably a little buzzed. After you sleep a bit and get back into Eve the cold hard reality of your poorly built combat character and the consequences of that build will still be there.

This thread will end like all the others before it; with cries of 'thats not fair!" and "its bad for Eve!" and "I didn't want to play your stupid game anyway!"

Because I can't support an important cause if it doesn't affect me, right?

I have said all along that you do not understand the issue. It doesn't surprise me that you personally are not affected by it.