Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's a fair point. Unless we are going to turn clones into a commodity that players can sell on the market and produce, there's no real issue with having players update their clone remotely.

Hell, just let them 'call it in' from in game. "Hey, bro? Yeah, give me one of those new clones, I've gotten smarter. Thanks, k, bye."

Welcome change. In my book the prices should be reduced even more. Just make it a flat price from say 50m sp onwards.
With a high sp char you never use all the skills in say a pvp situation. From a certain point an old char can't have a technical advantage over say a fully skilled younger pvp char. So why punish the older player for having stuck around in Eve for so long.
Sure it most likely wont kill him financialy but its about the principle. And i'm sure many players also keep economical thinking in the back of their head even if they could afford to lose a couple pods here and there.

Hey CCP Rise why not keep the current pricing for the clones as they are now with the 30% discount and make it like it is in dust514 with their mass bulk buying with the clones.

For example:

72mill SP clone upgrade gets you 5 'insured' bodies to play around with in the targeted station (which can't be transferred other stations). You can play around with the number of 'insured' bodies vs level of SP the current character has so it won't be as over powered.

Of course the numbers can be tweaked a little. This combined with maxed skills in informorph Psychology they can place 5 clones bodies anywhere in New Eden with a backed up 'insured' X amount of bodies per insured level to pvp in.

Over all people pay X isk for X 'insured' bodies to pvp for the current clone system = happier people pew pewing each other.

Or something like that.

I approve, though I think I'd rather see the clone system go away entirely. There's nothing quite like losing SP to make people epic ragequit.

-Liang

Sorry for saying this but : Frakk-YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Thank you.

It is a first step, but this is probably the main thang I will be happy about for Odyssey.

This is excellent. Everything about this particular change is excellent.

CCP Rise,

If you don't want to get rid of the Clone system, I believe i have a solution.

Simply make it so that when you upgrade your Clone its a one time payment and you have that Clone Grade permanently and don't need to refresh it after being podded, to regulate this you could make the Clones cost say 20-30% more seeing as your only having to pay for a specific Clone Grade once.

Here is a overall future vision plan for the entire clone system.

Remove medical clones and jump clones from the game entirely and replace them with a new and exciting item called "clones". These clones can then be bought and they function like current jump clones with two exceptions. First, when people get podded they'll lose the clone they used permanently, which ensures a constant demand for the things and allows you to make them player build items at some point. Use the current jump clone skills to limit the number of clones a player can own. Second, players can choose to be respawned in a clone he owns instead of a medical facility. If respawn happen in a med facility, you need to buy a new clone insurance. If it happens to a clone, there is no cost, but you're forced to choose a new spawn location, since the current clone is in use and no longer available as a spawn location. This creates new tactical options, which also help to increase the demand for bought clones instead of just relying on NPC medical services.

I think this system has several advantages over the current system. First being, that having medical clones and jump clones different items can be confusing and it's an unnecessary thing in the first place. Second, it allows new tactical possibilities. Third, it paves the way to player produced clones, ensures a demand for them and still retains the NPC service to ensure clones are always available for everyone, while allowing CCP to exert control over the system by manipulating the NPC price for clones. It also allows a permanent solution to the ridiculous medical clones cost growth by removing them from the game entirely. Instead we would have one item for all and players under certain SP level would get one for free when respawning at a medical facility. No clone grades, no multiple different clone types. Just clones, which can easily be player manufactured at a cost below the CCP controlled price level, so there is room for profit making with increased tactical options and demand for the player manufactured item, but also control to ensure game stability and playability for everyone.

I'm well aware this might be drastically over your capabilities or intentions for the clone system, but I'm posting it anyway to get people really thinking what the clone system is for and what it could possibly be in the future. Whatever you decide to do don't try to retain the old system just for the sake of retaining it. If you can come up with a better system, bring it to us for discussion/hole poking and if it survives the process in good shape, go for it. No need to keep the old system just for the sake of tradition.

Thanks for your time.

paying for clone one time until i reach the SP limit yes im all up for that

and another idea Passive generation of SP just like in Dust as an extra for us ontop of the current system not a replacement
nothing more then fair as eve capsuleers pay for the game and dust are not

and would aid the militairy personnel on deployment i myself have been deployed multiple times and training about 30 to 40 days only before you stop for about 4 a 5 months before you have the chance to get back to the game to skilltrain
knowing quite a bunch of militairy personnel in this game it would aid not just them but everyone else aswell
and there are more scenario's probabbly the eve community can bring up that a little sp gain over time ontop of the currently active learning system would not hurt to much but a nice addition

dust SP generates 86.400 SP per 24 hours wich is 31.536.000 skillpoints per year
idea in EVE passive generation of 27.397 SP per 24 hours would result in a gain of 10.000.000 SP a year that will be able to allocate after buying a skillbook but still needs normal training of skills to stay in a normal pace in general

just a little boost for us paying capsuleers and an aid for people that have jobs limiting them from skill training at a constant rate like the majority of the eve community