EVE General Discussion

No, I'm actually not going to engage you seriously in any form because you are obviously opining while clueless in classic GD form.

I just want to hear more.

So you see, it all started when the maratani was at fanfest with molle and evil thug. Together they formed the evil moon cartel and schemed to fill CCP with their agents in an effort to strengthen their RMT empires.

Do you want to know more?

I'm getting there, bro.

Let me weave the tale as it needs to be told.

Again, arguing about this pissant detail when the entire risk/reward balance and fundamental gameplay of hisec is borked is utterly pointless.

Start a thread about how to make hisec more than just a safe place for alts to generate wealth, and you'll at least have a productive point of departure.

Once upon a time a news channel in Florida decided to go undercover and investigate a grocery story chain. Specifically, their butcher/meat departments. Their undercover team got jobs working there and, with hidden cameras, captured on film numerous examples of the regular staff - as policy - taking expired meat from the shelves, opening it up, adding red food coloring, then re-wrapping it, slapping on a new label (with new expiration date) and putting it right back on the shelves.

Since this is the USA, when the story aired the grocery store chain immediately sued the news channel for damages. Since this was Florida, they won their case and walked away a truck full of money that used to belong to the news channel. However, the damage to their name was done and no one wanted to shop there anymore.

So they took their truck full of money and bought out a smaller, lesser known grocery store chain. Since they now owned the rights to the other chain's good name, they then proceeded to simply change the name of all of their grocery stores to that of the company they just bought.

Ta-da! Business as usual, rotten meat back on the shelves, an idiot public returns to shop and no one dares investigate them again.

Why this story? Because what you described and what I described is essentially the same thing. Meaning that companies in the real world do this exact sort of thing all the time - fail, dissolve, reform, issue new stock, repeat. Emphasis on the stock thing, too: Do you know how many companies have had their stock value drop to literally nothing and then simply issue new stock? Try General Motors, for one.

Every scam you see in EvE has a real-life counterpart somewhere. So you can't say that the whole "escaping consequences by dissolving & reforming the exact same company" is unrealistic because, yeah, that sort of thing actually does happen in real life. All the time, in fact.

Don't weep for EvE - weep for the world we live in.

Fair point.

I really don't see what the problem is in regards to war decs

lets face it if a player is going to hop corps when they get war dec, they can do that now with out any risk

war dec notice gives 24 hour, role dropping takes 24 hours. your corp gets war deced 24 hour later your out of your corp just a little after the war dec starts.

what this change does is add more risk to both the corp and member

1 - corp thift in high sec is now safer he can steal everything and be in a new corp minutes later
2 - ceo gets pissed kicks member while in null no warnings just gone.

not if the player has roles. still got to wait 24 hours. AND he has to log off or be docked.

Wormhole space!

My corp/alliance looks for targets, and cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences (ie: they become a pretty explosion).

But it is rare to see someone in Local, so it's very safe out here.

There should be a 48 hour grace period when you drop corp in which you're still a valid war target

Hiking up war prices and allowing instantly-dropping out of them to reform corp is pretty sad