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Shield-trained looking for ideas for PVP fits
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Fozzy Dorsai
Friendly but Irritating
#1 - 2011-11-03 15:42:21 UTC
Howdy! I'm pretty much a mission-running carebear. But a friend of mine wants me to tag along for some PVP in the next few weeks. We'll get blown up a lot (will be getting an implant-poor jump clone), but my main problem is that all my training is for shield+missile boats and mining...not often the best background for small-gang PVP. He said to just grab a basic-fit cruiser and come on out, but my reading tells me that what I can field won't be too efficient.
Question: What shield-based cruiser would be the quickest to train weapons into and be at least "okay" for some PVP fun? Or, can I get away with a missile boat? Battleclinic links, fits, or just hints will be appreciated, but I'm most interested in what skills I need to train (assume shielding/speed/missiles/and such are well-trained already).
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#2 - 2011-11-03 15:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Carcal with assault missle lunchers. There is always the drake that is a pretty good pvp BC on nearly all scales, T2 rigs to taste.

[Drake, HM nano/web]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Internal Force Field Array I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

[Drake, HAM Scram/Web]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#3 - 2011-11-03 15:59:11 UTC
I'm assuming you want to risk as little isk as possible. In your case i'd get a bunch of kestrels and caracals.

Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2011-11-03 17:36:38 UTC
May I suggest that if you have little or no PvP experience you do not fly the nano Drake...which actually takes some finesse to fly right (as do most nano-ships)... additionally there is really no point in putting a small neut on a ship with 2 webs...any frig you try to neut will be dead in 2 missile volleys once you get 2 webs on it, you are better off with a drone link augmenter...but anyhoo we are not talking about Nano-Drake fittings...

If you have to have a cruiser hull I would go with the Caracal if you are all missiles. Either Anti-Frig/Dessy fit or long range support fit. These fits are optimized for price...(cheap rigs)...and assume you are not solo. With the Heavy Missile fit...you warp in at range (70km) and shoot the primary...align out...if anything gets too close (35km) warp out...rinse and repeat. With the AML fit stay with the fleet. Kill anything smaller than a cruiser.

[Caracal, Fleet-Anti Frig]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2

[Caracal, Heavy]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
#5 - 2011-11-03 20:07:32 UTC
For starters I just want to say whoever put post right next to reply should be shot(InGame). I just messed up twice on the same post Evil

If you're interested in cross training you could try the Shield/nano tanked Omen which works quite well. Or if you are interested in ACs you could train for a sleip/Cyclone because they are simply awesome ships for fighting against odds and coming out on top.

Edit: Ingame
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#6 - 2011-11-03 20:12:32 UTC
Let me assist if I can. When you're in battle and getting pounded, resist the temptation to think that is the moment you started losing the fight. Getting into a fight and NOT panicking is where it's at. Good luck, and no matter your tank, you can still bring lots o' gank!
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2011-11-04 15:13:54 UTC
Missiles are fine for PvP, I have 20m sp in guns and I probably only use gun boats a couple times a month.
Frig killing caracal would be a good place to start. go after frig hulls and stay away from most everything else.

nom nom
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#8 - 2011-11-04 16:16:58 UTC
Caldari pilot?

You have three good options:

1) HAM Drake
2) Stealth bomber (Manticore = best SB in the game)
3) ECM (Blackbird into Falcon)

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Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#9 - 2011-11-04 16:59:44 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Caldari pilot?

You have three good options:

1) HAM Drake
2) Stealth bomber (Manticore = best SB in the game)
3) ECM (Blackbird into Falcon)




Let me amend that...

1) HAM Drake
1.1) HML Nano Drake
1.2) HML Heavy Drake
2) Stealth bomber (Manticore = best SB in the game) - Meh
2.1) Hookbill
2.2) Crow
3) ECM (Blackbird into Falcon)
3.1) Caracal (Best Anti-Frig platform in the game...beaten only by the Caracal Navy Issue)
3.2) Basilisk (Shield-Guardian)
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#10 - 2011-11-05 06:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Dark Pangolin wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Caldari pilot?

You have three good options:

1) HAM Drake
2) Stealth bomber (Manticore = best SB in the game)
3) ECM (Blackbird into Falcon)




Let me amend that...

1) HAM Drake
1.1) HML Nano Drake
1.2) HML Heavy Drake
2) Stealth bomber (Manticore = best SB in the game) - Meh
2.1) Hookbill
2.2) Crow
3) ECM (Blackbird into Falcon)
3.1) Caracal (Best Anti-Frig platform in the game...beaten only by the Caracal Navy Issue)
3.2) Basilisk (Shield-Guardian)


Dark Pangolin wrote:
May I suggest that if you have little or no PvP experience you do not fly the nano Drake...which actually takes some finesse to fly right (as do most nano-ships)...


So when one reply suggests a nano Drake, you recommend against it for the OP. And when I reply with a list of recommended ships for the OP, you amend the list to include a nano drake.

... Roll

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Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#11 - 2011-11-05 18:04:33 UTC
Your repply indicated thatthose were the only 3-4 good pvp ships available to a Caldari pilot..maybe I misinterprted....don't tale it so personal. TheOP should still stick with a caracal
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#12 - 2011-11-06 01:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Better (read: Much cheaper!) HM/Nano-Drake:

Dual-web, still-decently-tanky Kite-fighter

LO

2x BCU II
2x Nanofibre Internal Structure II

MID

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon MWD
Warp Disruptor II
2x Stasis Webifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

HI

7x Heavy Missile Launcher II
1x Medium Energy Neutarliser (probably the meta 4 one whose name I can never remember, CPU will be an issue for fitting)

RIG

1x Ancillary Current Router (gives enough grid to fit the medium neut)
1x EM resist rig
1x Thermal resist rig

DRONES

5x Warrior II
(or maybe 5x Hornet EC-300 ECM drones)

Get those fitting and ship-speed/agility skills up if you haven't already, and train Battlecruisers to 5, that latter is one of the most useful ship skills in the game.

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Sylar Reuwich
Hek Trade and Industries
#13 - 2011-11-06 11:10:27 UTC
If you don't want to fly Caldari ships there's always crosstraining:

[Rupture]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x4
Hammerhead II x1

[Stabber, Solo PVP Stabber] (taken from battleclinic)
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II

Another race's cruiser and cruiser turrets will take at most a few weeks to train and it's well worth it when twice as many ships are opened up to you.