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We are all brothers and sisters in arms, fellow capsuleers.

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#1 - 2013-05-14 21:52:23 UTC
We are hated. By the government and by the people. They fear us, yet don't respect us.

And we are not the only ones.

New technologies have emerged, and with them, a new kind of human. They are like us, yet different. They have the clone, but not the capsule. They are limited, but also less restricted. Once the revelation of what they truly are comes, they will be hunted. They will be hated. Like us. In fact, they are already being hunted. They are already being hated. Tibus Heth hunts down his own loyal soldiers out of fear of retribution. They are fools. All of them. You cannot tame the immortal. You cannot kill the immortal. But they try, and their efforts keep us bound. And worse, they pit us against each other in a proxy war, both for their own imperialistic goals as well as to keep us distracted. They take advantage of our patriotism. Our pride.

And out there? Out there we fight large wars for petty things. We kill because of the rush. We cooperate purely out of greed and malice. That leaves us with two choices. Shall we be pathetic, but noble? Or shall we be petty, but strong? There is no good answer to that question.

Let us not fight for petty reasons. Let us not scowl at our earthbound brethren. We immortals must unite, or we will spend far longer under the grasp of the Federation, the State, the Republic and the Empire. We must work towards our own goals. We must empower ourselves and our down-to-earth allies, and we must hasten the dawn of our true power.

The empires, they hold the Empyrean Age with callous hands... so let's loosen their grip.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-14 21:56:11 UTC
I like you...

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-14 22:16:46 UTC
You know... I was starting to suspect the same thing...

... always the same excuses about decontaminating the station. We've clearly been segregated away from the population.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-14 22:28:12 UTC
Come out to nullsec like me and those pesky Empires are completely gone from capsuleer affairs.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#5 - 2013-05-15 00:26:17 UTC
"Petty but strong" sounds fine to me.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2013-05-15 01:21:03 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Come out to nullsec like me and those pesky Empires are completely gone from capsuleer affairs.

I prefer to roam the uncharted wilds of Anoikis. In nullsec all you are doing is escaping the national politics driven by greedy, self-serving politicians and replacing it with alliance politics run by greedy, self-serving leaders. Alliance politics are actually MORE invasive in some cases.

It is interesting to see the results of becoming functionally immortal. Our bodies, and the lives they hold simply become another commodity, and the change in psychology causes interesting things to happen. It seems to breed a kind of sociopathy, though I sometimes wonder if the traits that make someone able to use a capsule happen to be coincident with traits that lead to mental instability.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-05-15 01:31:09 UTC
We are not inmortal. We may live after death, but we die. And, sooner or later, something will interrupt our transfer and we won't emerge alive on the other side. It may be a slim chance each time, but it happens, and even the smallest chance becomes certainty in the face of the infinite, or eternity in this case.

So no, we're not inmortal. And it's the stupid delusions of the sort that make us be hated, because most pod-pilots are little more than self-loving fools with the power of the mightiest machines of destruction humankind has created. No wonder we are hated so much, most of the eggers aren't as high as it would be required to be what we are, most are just wrecks one way or another.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#8 - 2013-05-15 01:45:35 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
We are not immortal.

I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-15 01:48:52 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Sepherim wrote:
We are not immortal.

I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.


Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now.

Just...don't think about it...

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2013-05-15 01:51:31 UTC
Note i said FUNCTIONALLY immortal. We can die in the extremely unlikely event of a CRU malfunction, and our clones can be seized and destroyed, and, of course, if we die outside our pods, that's just too damn bad. In spite of this, if we are killed we will almost certainly wake up in a new body, so death has little meaning while we remain in space, and that's happens to be where most capsuleers spend most of their time.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2013-05-15 01:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:
Sepherim wrote:
We are not immortal.

I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.


Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now.

Just...don't think about it...

I contend that I am my mind, not my body.
When I was cloned, most of the cells in my body were not the same cells I has been born with. Were I to replace my innards with cybernetics one by one, it would still be my body, and I would still be me, so replacing the body wholesale makes no difference.

Each one of my incarnations may be separate if you consider my mind to have been copied and the original lost rather than just my mind moving, but just as a mosaic of individual pieces coalesce to form an image, so the different incarnations of me coalesce to become one me. The only philosophical thing I am still nulling over is what would happen if two copies existed at the same time.

Though my body may die, I only die when my mind is lost or destroyed.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-15 02:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:
Sepherim wrote:
We are not immortal.

I contest that. We are perpetual, our minds last indefinitely, and although we may cease to exist, it is not because we die.


Well technically, we died the first time we got cloned. Our clones are merely look-a-likes with our exact personality and memory loaded onto it. Basically, we've all technically been dead for a while now.

Just...don't think about it...

I contend that I am my mind, not my body.
When I was cloned, most of the cells in my body were not the same cells I has been born with. Were I to replace my innards with cybernetics one by one, it would still be my body, and I would still be me, so replacing the body wholesale makes no difference.

Each one of my incarnations may be separate if you consider my mind to have been copied and the original lost rather than just my mind moving, but just as a mosaic of individual pieces coalesce to form an image, so the different incarnations of me coalesce to become one me. The only philosophical thing I am still nulling over is what would happen if two copies existed at the same time.

Though my body may die, I only die when my mind is lost or destroyed.


Well if you are talking philosophically you could easily make the argument that your mind alone is what makes you "alive". In fact I prefer to agree with that notion. Not sure if it's because I actually believe it, or just go along with it to prevent myself from going mad. but I digress. From a purely scientific standpoint though, we have died, and what we have now is a copy, if a really good one.

Now, if two clones were active at the same time, would that mean there are two of you at once, or is one of the clones considered a completely separate person, like an identical twin? If they are considered separate, then who would be the original you?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#13 - 2013-05-15 02:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
The empires should tighten their grip, not loosen it. Capsuleers are already given too much power, which tempts them into doing evil. They must be chained if they are to be saved from falling further into sin.

My only brothers and sisters are those faithful to God and loyal to the Empire.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-05-15 04:40:55 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
The empires should tighten their grip, not loosen it. Capsuleers are already given too much power, which tempts them into doing evil. They must be chained if they are to be saved from falling further into sin.

My only brothers and sisters are those faithful to God and loyal to the Empire.



If power breeds the temptation to sin, then anyone or anything that has the power to chain an infomorph is just as susceptible, if not moreso, to the temptation to sin.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#15 - 2013-05-15 05:46:37 UTC
Us mercenaries have a weird relationship with the empires. As Felsusguy said, we are starting to become like capsuleers, feared and hated by all the empires. This has already been proven by the acts of Tibus Heth, which we luckily managed to thwart, as he tried to kill all the dropclone soldiers loyal to his cause.

Yet on the other hand, the empires keep making us new weapons, equipment, modules and vehicles and let us participate in the battle to conquer lowsec territory for the empires. To me it seems that the empires think of us dropclone soldiers the same way as capsuleers, a necessary evil to keep things stable.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#16 - 2013-05-15 08:00:48 UTC
There's some credit to this.

Don't feel like gambling with my retirement years.

I'm... close to some of the new-age soldiers. What I gather, the Empires tried to destroy them when they realized they could not be controlled as well as they were hoping. Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to tie down us Capsuleers, too.

Now, I ain't saying '**** the Empires' at all. But some insurance would be nice that somebody like... Heth... couldn't seize power and decide to shut us down. It seems only sensible we take control of our own fates.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#17 - 2013-05-15 10:01:00 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
We immortals must unite


i am not your brother, and if i can i will just destroy your ship and your pod happily
Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#18 - 2013-05-15 12:45:01 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
I am hated. By the government and by the people. They fear me, yet don't respect me.

I fight large wars for petty things. I kill because of the rush. I cooperate purely out of greed and malice.


Fixed it for you.
Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2013-05-15 12:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Note i said FUNCTIONALLY immortal. We can die in the extremely unlikely event of a CRU malfunction, and our clones can be seized and destroyed, and, of course, if we die outside our pods, that's just too damn bad. In spite of this, if we are killed we will almost certainly wake up in a new body, so death has little meaning while we remain in space, and that's happens to be where most capsuleers spend most of their time.


That's not immortal.

Immortal (adj). Living forever; never dying or decaying.

Transhuman (adj). A former human whose basic capacities have so radically exceed those of baseline humans as to be no longer unambiguously human by our current standards.

We're transhuman or posthuman or somewhere there. We're not immortal. Someone can walk into your clone creche, a technician for instance, who decided that he doesn't like you anymore. He pulls the plug, kills all your clones, and diverts your info-morph transmission path into a sun. You die.

Immortal is when, despite said technicians actions, you still live, show up, and teach him a lesson.

We're not immortal, we're not gods, we're slightly evolved apes with shiny toys.

P.S. We're not all hated. I have plenty of egg and baseline friends. Try not being an egotistical ass and you might be liked.

P.S.S. This is mostly directed at OP's stupidity, not you Kraid.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#20 - 2013-05-15 13:17:54 UTC
There's one faction you neglected to mention in your list of factions who hate capsuleers:

Capsuleers.

Brothers in arms my arse.
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