Ships & Modules

I have to ask... are Chivalry Ravens honour tanked?

The new Raven can get up to 1500m/s with a little effort, and the a nanoed Typhoon will hit upwards 2km/s, so I think you can find some zippy battleships now.

because **** the already ****** up sandbox.

Sorry, but the new Mega and Hyperion are damned awesome. Both of them are now significantly better at their intended roles.

I think there are three aspects being missed currently in this discussion. First, CCP has not yet balanced Tech 2 ships yet and what they have in mind already may be why Battleships are being buff/nerfed (however you want to consider it). Until we get a clearer picture of this, we really don't know how the game will be affected by these changes in the long term.

Second, with the changes made to Ice mining and Moon mining, I think there is a push by CCP to make running capital and supercaptial ships much more expensive to use and operate in a force projection mode. The next ship in line to take that over will naturally be the battleship, which would assume the defense/offense roles to a certain extent. How effective this will be in actuality is tough to call.

Third, after seeing many of the changes done to frigate and cruiser class ships and, let's be honest, those changes being wildly successful in their implimentation, I think we need to give CCP Rise, CCP Fozzie, and CCP Ytterbium substantial credit for their work and we should wait to see what their overall plan is before we start telling them they are wrong. They have proven themselves to be not only smart, but willing to make adjustments for the betterment of the game.

Perhaps it's not the ships, but the intent that maybe they'll fix the armaments related to them down the line? IE drones? And the whole active armor thing, missiles, and whatever else you want to throw in there? I'm curious if after the ship roles we'd see some form of module tiericide or tweaking. And a drone revamp...

Well - they actually said T2 ships shouldn't be flat out better, but more specialized - this is fine with me, but the specializations haveto be 'killer apps' - HICs aren't that great in itself, but they're the only ship class doing what they do, so they're worth their money.

The tough bit will be to to give all of them their own 'killer app'.

However, I can't see current BS iterations make them viable outside their traditional roles (pve, blobs and station games, regardless of future T2 changes and their production cost. ABS are aimed at performing outside their traditional roles, but the changes leave them unviable at those, imho.



I agree - tough to call, however, current OTEC entities have amassed such an amount of isk they're able to take new bottenecks and stay in power for ages and the major SC holding alliances ill be the last to care about fuel cost.
Since there's a tendency to buff low level and cheap ships beyond the capabiilities of their higher leveled cousins with a paradox cost adjustment at the same time, maybe blobs of them will be useful for destroying caps, which already have been heavily nerfed due to capital rigs.




I actually appreciate their work, however they seem to be neglecting cost-efficiency. If a an ABS would cot the same as an ABC, I wouldn't have issues with it (still wouldn't use an ABS under most circumstances, but an ABS would at least be an option).

I also wouldn't have issues wit a future T2 Titan that can be taken down by a frig, but then, make them cost the same in isk and SP.