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Cyno/Covert Cyno
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Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-14 23:54:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Retrillion wrote:


Protect yourself against something that you cant target... also how could i stop someone lighting a cyno... i mean lets say you have 20 man fleet you land on a covert cyno now its gone from 20-1 to 20-200....


200 blacks ops...

I don't think you have ever delt with these things before.


you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...

basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-05-14 23:57:01 UTC
Retrillion wrote:


you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...

basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true


No, what I see is you being wrong and called out on it.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-05-14 23:57:01 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
and i didnt die to it just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...


You know- the funny thing about Cynos, is if you're actively piloting your ship, you should be able to get away.




How about you drop this in alliance chat... lets get it to the devs maybe ?
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-05-14 23:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Retrillion wrote:

you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...

basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true


Nobody is getting defensive, people are calling you out for using bullshit numbers to back up bullshit facts. What you are really saying is you are a bad pilot, and incapable of adapting to a semi-rare form of PvP.

200 Black Ops, Lol...


Retrillion wrote:
How about you drop this in alliance chat... lets get it to the devs maybe ?


What is this 'Alliance Chat' you speak of?
Niddengolliah
Limit Everyone Nowhere Kingdom
#25 - 2013-05-14 23:58:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Niddengolliah
Retrillion wrote:
I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...


Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored.

To be honest covert cynos are only really used to hot drop SBs onto people (think Bombers' Bar), moving blockade runners with really expensive stuff around quickly and avoiding gate camps, or small scale PvP.

Black Ops don't really have a massive fuel bay like titans do, so the fleets coming in are much smaller than a proper all out cap drop is. Heck, 2 SBs, a blockade runner and the bridging ship jumping through to a covert cyno spends 90% of the fuel. Are you saying 4 ships is a huge problem?


Edit: formatting
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-05-14 23:58:19 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No.



Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game...

It sounds like you want a game with restrictive and optional PVP.
In other words, not EVE.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-05-14 23:58:46 UTC
Just stop.

hello
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-15 00:00:57 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...


Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored.


Edit: formatting



What you just said there.... is my point
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#29 - 2013-05-15 00:01:00 UTC
Thelonious Blake wrote:
I'd love to see 200 man BO fleet hotdrop Smile



I'd love to sell the 200 BO ships for that op. Lol



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-05-15 00:01:31 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
Just stop.



Because why ... dont you like new ideas over in goonswarm?
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-05-15 00:02:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No.



Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game...

It sounds like you want a game with restrictive and optional PVP.
In other words, not EVE.



no no no i didnt say dont make pvp like this possible, just make a downside....
Niddengolliah
Limit Everyone Nowhere Kingdom
#32 - 2013-05-15 00:03:25 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...


Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored.


Edit: formatting



What you just said there.... is my point


And what I said there is that covert cyno isn't the real problem. Haha, I don't think you know what you want done with the whole cyno thing yourself Roll
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-15 00:03:37 UTC
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-05-15 00:03:42 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
no no no i didnt say dont make pvp like this possible, just make a downside....


Your posting is the downside.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-15 00:05:04 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...


Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored.


Edit: formatting



What you just said there.... is my point


And what I said there is that covert cyno isn't the real problem. Haha, I don't think you know what you want done with the whole cyno thing yourself Roll



You said that big alliances could just take anything... and that no one could do anything about it and then leave when there BORED....
Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-05-15 00:06:46 UTC
Kill the cyno. Job done. Kill the one unlucky Guy who might've gotten through before the cyno died. Bonus points. :)
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-05-15 00:07:12 UTC
I see that you guys from the big alliances have seen this and thats what i wanted you guys are the ones that run eve almost with the right idea you could crash eve... you should agree that a downside would be fine because you have enough isk to lose a blackops 100times over and still lol and move on... your all just trying to sheep the big alliances and make life much more easy....
Niddengolliah
Limit Everyone Nowhere Kingdom
#38 - 2013-05-15 00:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Niddengolliah
Retrillion wrote:
You said that big alliances could just take anything... and that no one could do anything about it and then leave when there BORED....


So why the hell did you make a thread about 'fixing' covert cynos in the first place? Maybe discuss the real problem in OP and not some random thing that is remotely related in mechanics to the real problem (which isn't exactly the biggest problem at the moment anyway)...

Edit: And for the LOVE OF GOD stop exaggerating everything so much. No one in their right minds would burn through 65 billion worth of black ops (100x a black ops BS) just to kill some stuff. There are far more ISK efficient ways to do that.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-05-15 00:09:23 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
You said that big alliances could just take anything... and that no one could do anything about it and then leave when there BORED....


So why the hell did you make a thread about 'fixing' covert cynos in the first place? Maybe discuss the real problem in OP and not some random thing that is remotely related in mechanics to the real problem (which isn't exactly the biggest problem at the moment anyway)...

There's no problem except that which exists only in your mind.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-05-15 00:09:47 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
I see that you guys from the big alliances have seen this and thats what i wanted you guys are the ones that run eve almost with the right idea you could crash eve... you should agree that a downside would be fine because you have enough isk to lose a blackops 100times over and still lol and move on... your all just trying to sheep the big alliances and make life much more easy....


Just because some can afford it, doesn't mean they want to.