Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree. In my opinion suicide podding can be tackled by not allowing to move your medical clone for 24 hours after being podded or using a jump clone in the same 24 hour period.

i would make clone bpo's

they take PI stuff to make

tie in Dust where Biomass centers can be fought over (the technium for clone construction)

allow me to install muliple clones in a station... (i want a new body for every day of the week)

also allow me to transport clones in industrial ships (you have to do tiericide for industrials why not make one a special clone vat ship) would make for some epic kill mails where someone could loose like 20 full snake clones...

then allow un-used clones to be bought and sold on the market.

you can reprocess old clones to get the materials to make new ones ( a new mini profession from collecting dead pod pilots)

i would allow there to be a dynamic market before removing clones from the medical bay all together.

If we remove clones as an ISK sink, what will replace it?

While I fully support that more pvp is good, pvp is NOT an ISK sink. If anything PVP is an ISK faucet due to insurance.

Bravo, I fully agree with this post, I do the same.

I wouldn't mind seeing a dramatic reduction or even just a flat cost to clone replacements up to about the 40m sp of say 500-900k ISK. After that a very gradual ratchet upward instead of the current system, which is kinda like going from 2-3m isk per a clone to very rapidly a 13-20+m ISK per a clone death.
Maybe I want to PVP in a Rifter or Stealth Bomber or Interceptor- with my uber S.P. toon, my clone should not even come close to the cost of my ship... It's as if C.C.P is punishing us for perfecting our fitting and weapon skills or something.
The ship cost and the various other things like cost of fittings, implants etc are sufficient ISK sinks by themselves.

Implants are a choice (you might feel they are a requirement to compete potentially in whatever part of the game you play) but the clone cost isn't really a choice. It's a penalty to characters that have been around for a while. The only choice then is "when do I give up on this character's training and start training an alt to fly the smaller ships?" which is terrible design or only ever flying the bigger ships, which isn't in keeping with letting us play the game our way in our sandbox.

Just because you can fly all the ships in the game and use all the modules or whatever having spent years and years training the skills up doesn't mean you have a huge isk flow now. In all likelyhood you've got less since you have less time thanks to not being a 20 something with no attachments! lol

T3 and faction battleships don't get the insurance love either, many T2 ships get short changed also. So yes, actually the previous dude is wrong it is an ISK sink and a very good one too.

you know i read that sentence 5 times and i still have no clue what you are talking about...

if you are not going to make clones player made and have a dynamic market for them...

then the only other idea is james from razor...

pretty much you have one standard cost to insure your clone for 3 weeks... you can die as many times as you want and not loose sp as long as you are insured...

tbh i would much prefer player made clones but if not james idea is the only reasonable one.

No, sorry. Isk sinks remove isk from the game. PvP is a mineral sink. But even a low insurance payout is an isk faucet because it creates isk out of thin air. The isk you spend on buying ships go to other players, so apart from the broker's fee and sales tax, it is not removed from the game.

EDIT: On the subject of lower clone costs. I too would love to see them completely removed, or at least greatly reduced for the high SP clones so that older players were not punished for wanting to fly small stuff. In my opinion the most expensive clone shouldn't cost more than 10mil.