EVE General Discussion

A step in the right direction but I'd go further.

How about bulk discounts for clones? Buy like ten clones and save 50% but you have to use them up within a month. Of course that's extra code so just lowering prices is simpler.

I really don't think a 100m-SP clone should cost more than 10 million ISK or so.

just dont buy a new clone or buy a new clone and dont put implants in it.

to those saying "make it higher" its pretty high as it is, but as a 300m sp char when i get there i dont want to be paying billion or by then, trillions (lol)

I agree on the TLDR, however, if you're between 92.5 and 120 mill SP a Tau clone costing 30 mill should suffice - moreover, last I checked a full +4 implant set should be ~100 mill, so total cost for a 92.5-120 mill clone with a full set should be around 145 mill in total.

However, this leaves the question why anyone would fly an 120 mill SP clone around in nullsec whilst having a full set of +4s plugged in. I'm just training useless skills to V out of boredom- my higher SP characters have all the skills I deem useful.

Using a full set of +4s in null and complaining about the cost at the same time? That's just dumb.

If any, you just use the two implants required for the skill you're training.

Having that said, I think clone cost should be flat.

If there's any SP adjustment, there should be a decrease in clone cost with higher SP - rewarding loyal subscribers is customary, whereas the extreme opposite curently is the case.

I can't see that changing as long as CCP see they're making money with it due to people making alts once clone costs reach unreasonable levels.

For PvP, I use a 1-year old 20 mill SP alt, because that's pretty much the sweetspot for cost-efficiency in eve's current balance.

Clone costs are actually too low. They encourage the meaningless lolcruiser fleets where players get to be mediocre and irrelevant, but pretend that it's OK because they tell themselves "I'm having fun". The people they kill lose nothing, they lose nothing, nothing changes in the game -- totally pointless. If you enjoy that kind of gameplay you can go play call of duty and not have to put up with clone costs at all. EVE should be about consequences, and the idea that you can go and die and suffer none is out of line.

To the OP, you have many options:
1) Stop being poor
2) Sell your character and buy one with fewer skillpoints, and have plenty of money to play with
3) Buy the highest quality clone you can afford, and lose skillpoints until you reach its limits
4) Quit the game

Option 2 is only a temporary fix, because the skillpoints of your new character will go up and you are apparently incapable of making ISK despite it being thrown at your feet at every opportunity.

Options 1, 3 and 4 are long term solutions and are preferable.

So a player who doesn't spend his time mindlessly grinding missions in high-sec and instead chooses to provide content for other players by actively seeking to get shot should quit the game because he spends most of his time flying cruisers in null and not enough time making ISK to buy bigger pvp ships that he would actually use once every blue moon.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

now if only training times weren't tied to clones...

Because not everyone is as space-rich as you are, and if they were, the intrinsic worth of those big ships would hardly be above that of the janky cruisers you deride so much.

I think clone costs are too high and discourage using smaller ships in certain environments such as 0.0 space (clearly you should entomb your main in a supercapital to ~adapt~!) but complaining about PVPing in +4s elevates this to potentially troll level. Especially when you're at a level of SP where you can endure slower training times or training an alt while your main PVPs. Learning implants are a PITA for new players, less so for vets.

The problem with high clone costs is that you have much less control over them (you can mitigate by training alts but I don't think everyone should be pushed towards multiple accounts in this way). But you choose to fight with implants or hardwirings or whatnot, and you can choose to NOT do so if you don't think the benefits are worth the cost. Not so with clones.

That being said, the decreased clone costs on SISI look nice.

It's a fair point about implants, but we're not complaining about implants here. If a person chooses to fly a frigate in 0.0 with +4s in his head, that's entirely on his conscience. Paying fifty million for a new clone is absurd though.

Problem I see with that is it'll make strong alliances even stronger.


I think it's better to keep it as it is, but just lower the costs for everyone.