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Woot, woot. Now even easier to get out of a war dec.

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2013-05-14 21:31:57 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Sandbox sweetie. I always wonder why people treat one method of play as the single only legit and ruling style while others are invalid.
PvP'ing/Dec is someone's playstyle, while avoiding a wardec is also just another playstyle.


Except the former is completely irrelevant in hisec, so that you won't have to think about your choices

The game isn't a sandbox as long as hisec exists

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-05-14 21:32:05 UTC
Andski wrote:

You can't accommodate those who want a risk-free, asocial, zero-consequences game and those who want a dangerous game where cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences into the same server. You want success fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to cooperate or think.


risk free.... you can still suicide gank

asocial... I socialize with people ALL the time.

zero-consequences.... like not getting suicide ganked?


And, SURE, this could exist along side a cold and dangerous place. There are different sec status solar systems for a reagion.

You want cold, harsh and dangerous, go to null. I want pretty darn safe, as long as I'm not stupid, I'll stay in high sec.

There... poof... we're both accommodated.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#103 - 2013-05-14 21:32:31 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I hope that whatever CCP envisions for beyond Odyssey, with players taking over the roles the empires do now, includes a massive rework of the corp, alliance structure, sov, security status, etc.


Well there I think we can agree.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2013-05-14 21:33:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Sandbox sweetie. I always wonder why people treat one method of play as the single only legit and ruling style while others are invalid.
PvP'ing/Dec is someone's playstyle, while avoiding a wardec is also just another playstyle.


Except the former is completely irrelevant in hisec, so that you won't have to think about your choices

The game isn't a sandbox as long as hisec exists



My choice to play the way I want to play? Yeah.. I get to make that choice, and you do NOT get to force me to stop playing the way I want to play.

Deal with it.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-05-14 21:34:04 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You want cold, harsh and dangerous, go to null. I want pretty darn safe, as long as I'm not stupid, I'll stay in high sec.

There... poof... we're both accommodated.


See EVE used to reward players for taking meaningful risks, it no longer does because CCP doesn't want you to be burdened with "complex" thought processes like risk/benefit analysis

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-05-14 21:34:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I hope that whatever CCP envisions for beyond Odyssey, with players taking over the roles the empires do now, includes a massive rework of the corp, alliance structure, sov, security status, etc.


Well there I think we can agree.



And I bet we 100% disagree with what that should look like.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#107 - 2013-05-14 21:34:37 UTC
Being able to turn pvp off at will isn't "sandbox."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2013-05-14 21:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
LHA Tarawa wrote:
My choice to play the way I want to play? Yeah.. I get to make that choice, and you do NOT get to force me to stop playing the way I want to play.

Deal with it.


Nobody's stopping you from playing the way you want to play, you just had to make slight adjustments like everyone else in the game, princess. Watching local for wartargets for a while until your roles drop is just too much of a burden I guess :(

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#109 - 2013-05-14 21:36:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP wants my money.

They want your money too, so they will not remove PvP.

They will accommodate us both.


I face risk, CCP will just keep the risk to a level where I do not quit the game. Consequences for bad choices? What if I don't make bad choices? Not put any thought into my game play? Whatever.




You can't accommodate those who want a risk-free, asocial, zero-consequences game and those who want a dangerous game where cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences into the same server. You want success fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to cooperate or think.


You can't accommodate those who want a kill everyone, antisocial, not enough creation game and those who want a fun game where cooperation is the one & only thing and other choices have no place in the same server. You want easy kills fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to think.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-05-14 21:37:24 UTC
Andski wrote:

See EVE used to reward players for taking meaningful risks, it no longer does because CCP doesn't want you to be burdened with "complex" thought processes like risk/benefit analysis



Off topic much?

If by "complex" thought, you mean, I should be forced to join the Goons and engage in blob warfare, or quit the game.... yeah... that kind of "complex" thought is not going to be a requirement of CCP.

CCP is going to accommodate all play styles, from hard core PvPers, to casual carebears, and anything in between.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#111 - 2013-05-14 21:37:24 UTC
Wanting easy kills is "sandbox."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2013-05-14 21:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
DarthNefarius wrote:
You can't accommodate those who want a kill everyone, antisocial, not enough creation game and those who want a fun game where cooperation is the one & only thing and other choices have no place in the same server. You want easy kills fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to think.


please stop trying to turn the tables around when you're the one who has cried nonstop about your easy-mode risk-free 150m/hour+LP vanguard farming being nerfed lmao

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2013-05-14 21:38:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Wanting easy kills is "sandbox."



And making sure you don't get them from me and my friends IS sandbox too.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#114 - 2013-05-14 21:38:57 UTC
Andski he's got mouths to feed, bro. Or maybe just a coke habit.

People need to stop using their game names on playerouctions.com, seriously.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#115 - 2013-05-14 21:39:23 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Being able to turn pvp off at will isn't "sandbox."


A slaughter house where people get sick of dying so quickly when first learning isn't a sandbox either when the blood makes mud untenable for a newbie to do anything but sink after taking a single step
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2013-05-14 21:39:27 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Off topic much?

If by "complex" thought, you mean, I should be forced to join the Goons and engage in blob warfare, or quit the game.... yeah... that kind of "complex" thought is not going to be a requirement of CCP.

CCP is going to accommodate all play styles, from hard core PvPers, to casual carebears, and anything in between.


There are alternatives to joining a large nullsec alliance and engaging in blob warfare, hope this helps

You want risk-free easy-mode ISK farming so you can drive up PLEX prices

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#117 - 2013-05-14 21:39:36 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Wanting easy kills is "sandbox."



And making sure you don't get them from me and my friends IS sandbox too.

Absolutely, as long as you don't do it by means of pressing a button that makes me no longer able to violence your boat.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2013-05-14 21:40:58 UTC
It used to be that achieving the goal of preventing others from getting easy kills from you and your friends meant actively denying them that ability

Now it's "you can't shoot me anymore ha ha ha I'm so clever"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#119 - 2013-05-14 21:41:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Being able to turn pvp off at will isn't "sandbox."


Wait, what?! I can turn off suicide gank?

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#120 - 2013-05-14 21:41:40 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:



My choice to play the way I want to play? Yeah.. I get to make that choice, and you do NOT get to force me to stop playing the way I want to play.

Deal with it.


My choice is to mess with your operations to further my own. But I guess you think that this is wrong because it means bad things can happen to you.