These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Woot, woot. Now even easier to get out of a war dec.

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-05-14 21:14:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you change the rules about NPC corps and wars, the player will play a different game for the duration of the war.

Bottom line: You cannot force someone to log in. For many players PvP combat is a big pile of stress they just do not want in their life, much less in a recreational activity, and they will avoid it.


Hopefully you and them can find a game that better caters to your desire for risk-free gameplay with no consequences for your choices.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-05-14 21:16:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
[
Crushing a corp you are at war with is ment to happen.


What is your proof?

My proof that this is not supposed to happen is the ease with which war decs can be side stepped.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#83 - 2013-05-14 21:16:33 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Enjoy your epic scroll of corp history. Nothing says your loyal like joining 7 corps a week.



MyCorp1, MyCorp2, MyCorp3, MyCorp4.... yeah,. that screams "disloyal".

You WISH!

Maybe not, but it certainly screams "coward."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-05-14 21:17:56 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Maybe EVE was originally about being a cold, harsh place where you were constantly in danger, and the weak dropped the game. It is not that any more. It is now a game designed to support many play styles, and all kinds of players.


Right. EVE must accommodate you and your desire to not face any risk, not face any consequences for bad choices and not have to put any thought into your gameplay. Otherwise you will quit and the eve community will lose a valuable member

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-05-14 21:18:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you change the rules about NPC corps and wars, the player will play a different game for the duration of the war.

Bottom line: You cannot force someone to log in. For many players PvP combat is a big pile of stress they just do not want in their life, much less in a recreational activity, and they will avoid it.


Hopefully you and them can find a game that better caters to your desire for risk-free gameplay with no consequences for your choices.


This game caters to us just find.

You need to understand that. This game is NOT what you think it is.

It is not a cold, harsh place, where all the carebears are driven from the game. It is a game that supports a wide variety of play styles, and has game mechanics that no one type of player can drive the other types of players from the game.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-05-14 21:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
LHA Tarawa wrote:
This game caters to us just find.

You need to understand that. This game is NOT what you think it is.

It is not a cold, harsh place, where all the carebears are driven from the game. It is a game that supports a wide variety of play styles, and has game mechanics that no one type of player can drive the other types of players from the game.


Yep, you can't be required to think. That's too much, you'll quit.

Maybe CCP should change all their marketing crap to better reflect the truth: "a cold, harsh universe where the cold and harsh parts are completely optional and you are actually wrapped in cotton wool and handed everything you could possibly need on a silver platter, so you don't have to think or cooperate with others to accomplish goals. eve online: the welfare state simulator"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#87 - 2013-05-14 21:21:21 UTC
I am starting to wonder which side Tarawa is batting for...

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-05-14 21:21:26 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You can't force me to undock, so no, you can't blow up my ships or stop me from running jobs at my POS.

If you don't undock, I blow up your POS without interference.

CCP has no sense of humour.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-05-14 21:21:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Maybe EVE was originally about being a cold, harsh place where you were constantly in danger, and the weak dropped the game. It is not that any more. It is now a game designed to support many play styles, and all kinds of players.


Right. EVE must accommodate you and your desire to not face any risk, not face any consequences for bad choices and not have to put any thought into your gameplay. Otherwise you will quit and the eve community will lose a valuable member



CCP wants my money.

They want your money too, so they will not remove PvP.

They will accommodate us both.


I face risk, CCP will just keep the risk to a level where I do not quit the game. Consequences for bad choices? What if I don't make bad choices? Not put any thought into my game play? Whatever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2013-05-14 21:23:18 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[
Crushing a corp you are at war with is ment to happen.


What is your proof?

My proof that this is not supposed to happen is the ease with which war decs can be side stepped.


The corpses of all the old mega alliances that have one and all being utterly wiped out in all areas of space.

Everyone including CCP have said time and again the wardec system is broken. Your entire argument is based on a very broken system and thus, utterly wrong.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-05-14 21:23:32 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You can't force me to undock, so no, you can't blow up my ships or stop me from running jobs at my POS.

If you don't undock, I blow up your POS without interference.


Have fun. Hope you bring a few friends to take out my high sec large POS that is packed with hardeners and guns.


And then I'll just put up a new one.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-05-14 21:24:16 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP wants my money.

They want your money too, so they will not remove PvP.

They will accommodate us both.


I face risk, CCP will just keep the risk to a level where I do not quit the game. Consequences for bad choices? What if I don't make bad choices? Not put any thought into my game play? Whatever.




You can't accommodate those who want a risk-free, asocial, zero-consequences game and those who want a dangerous game where cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences into the same server. You want success fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to cooperate or think.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#93 - 2013-05-14 21:25:38 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You can't force me to undock, so no, you can't blow up my ships or stop me from running jobs at my POS.

If you don't undock, I blow up your POS without interference.


Have fun. Hope you bring a few friends to take out my high sec large POS that is packed with hardeners and guns.


And then I'll just put up a new one.

Done it before many times and I would really like to inform you that T1 crystals and sentry drones don't run out of ammo. Direct costs to take it out are zero, and we can play better games together while we do it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-05-14 21:26:42 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
And then I'll just put up a new one.

I thought you weren't undocking while we had you decced?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-05-14 21:27:51 UTC
I mean goddamn now you don't even need an out-of-corp character to handle nullsec logistics, even though larger nullsec alliances are constantly under wardecs. Drop corp in lowsec, travel through hisec in your risk-free npc corp, jump out of jita, reapply, accept with alt, rinse and repeat.

Thanks for removing risk from the game, CCP

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-05-14 21:27:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[
Crushing a corp you are at war with is ment to happen.


What is your proof?

My proof that this is not supposed to happen is the ease with which war decs can be side stepped.


The corpses of all the old mega alliances that have one and all being utterly wiped out in all areas of space.

Everyone including CCP have said time and again the wardec system is broken. Your entire argument is based on a very broken system and thus, utterly wrong.


Are you really comparing a null mega alliance to a small, high sec industrial corp? Seriously?

Even if the current war dec is broken, how do you know that CCP thinks it should be easier to lock people into a war that they do not want. The "broken" could be that I have to go through the hassle of dropping my main corp to an alt corp to avoid the war. Maybe they think it should be even easier to get out of the war?


Maybe they think I should be able to pay to end the war. You pay 50 million ISK to war dec me, I pay 50 million iSK to have it invalidated, you pay 50 million more, I pay 50 million more.... make it about who is willing to pay more to be in/not be in war.... Hmmm... I like that. I lose 1 billion ISK if I get war dec'ed and decide to not undock instead of drop to NPC/alt corp. I'd pay 1 billion iSK or more to not be at war for a week... How many PvP corps would pay that much to keep me at war against my wishes?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-05-14 21:29:00 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
And then I'll just put up a new one.

I thought you weren't undocking while we had you decced?


With alt corp, or after the dec is over, duh.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#98 - 2013-05-14 21:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
LHA Tarawa wrote:


Are you really comparing a null mega alliance to a small, high sec industrial corp? Seriously?




Where did I say null?

LHA Tarawa wrote:


Even if the current war dec is broken, how do you know that CCP thinks it should be easier to lock people into a war that they do not want.



The fact that CCP have said multiple times that war decs should not be easily shrugged off and avoided.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-05-14 21:30:34 UTC
Literally the only risk left for the empire side of nullsec logistics is getting suicide ganked in hisec, or possibly getting blackscreened and bumped out of docking range while undocking from a lowsec station

Hell, the only risk left in hisec for anyone who isn't actually looking for it is getting suicide ganked, which will inevitably be nerfed more so that CCP can't lose valued botters

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-05-14 21:30:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If you change the rules about NPC corps and wars, the player will play a different game for the duration of the war.

Bottom line: You cannot force someone to log in. For many players PvP combat is a big pile of stress they just do not want in their life, much less in a recreational activity, and they will avoid it.


Hopefully you and them can find a game that better caters to your desire for risk-free gameplay with no consequences for your choices.


Sandbox sweetie. I always wonder why people treat one method of play as the single only legit and ruling style while others are invalid.
PvP'ing/Dec is someone's playstyle, while avoiding a wardec is also just another playstyle.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)