EVE General Discussion

You do know a war includes being able to knock down your PoSes? Who's going to defend them the people in the NPC corp? You're a moron.

I'm not sure that matters. The point stands: ganking doesn't require a wardec. Another excellent example is James315. He's done quite well for himself without firing a weapon (pure genius btw).

As a practical matter, with the exception of POS takedowns, wardecs serve no purpose. The only people who are affected by wardecs are those with a POS, an attachment to their corp name/history, and the clueless. The only "fix" would be to tag wars to the individual, which will simply drive people out of the game or into NPC corps. Remove NPC corps and it just drives them out of the game. Those people are never going to fight. Nothing anyone does is going to change that. You have to make them want to fight, and, despite the hopes of many, defending their assets doesn't make them want to fight anymore than they do now. If you give them no outs, they're gone. Love them or hate them, they aren't ever going to fight you. Hamstringing CCP's cash flow out of some weird desire for ideological purity is just silly.

I once floated a crazy idea about different corp types. The basic idea was that, if you want to fight in hisec, you are a target to all other fighters in hisec. Flag your corp as Combat and you can shoot all other Combat corps and they can shoot you. You could choose not to be a combat corp, but there were penalties, chief among them, no anchoring POS's and no weapons (i.e. no missioning/ratting either). If you look at the current Safety button feature, it is but a step away from that. If you're willing to fight, take the safety off. Anyone with safety off can fight or be fought. Want to run missions? You'll have to put it on yellow safety, and if you actually fire your weapons at anything (npc or pc) you pick up the yellow flag. Want peace? Flip it to green. But you can't activate weapons or combat drones. If you wanted to tie it to POSs, then make it so that a POS can only be anchored by corps in which all safeties are set red and then lock corp members into the red setting as long as the POS remains up or they quit the corp. That would mean the POS could be attacked by anyone with a red setting.

Not before. Once you select "drop roles" no new ones can be given to you. And with the new system its irrelevant.

MyCorp1, MyCorp2, MyCorp3, MyCorp4.... yeah,. that screams "disloyal".

You WISH!

That would not get the results you want (assuming you want to shoot the player). The player will play an alt carefully kept in an NPC corp for the duration of the war.

If you change the rules about NPC corps and wars, the player will play a different game for the duration of the war.

Bottom line: You cannot force someone to log in. For many players PvP combat is a big pile of stress they just do not want in their life, much less in a recreational activity, and they will avoid it.

I edited and ended up with a double post. I'll delete this one and leave the one latter on.

I hope that whatever CCP envisions for beyond Odyssey, with players taking over the roles the empires do now, includes a massive rework of the corp, alliance structure, sov, security status, etc.

I'm not sure the devs envisioned carebears v pvpers in the beginning. Maybe they did! bastards!!! But lets assume that the Devs have a good idea of why and how gamers do what they do. And that they tried to balance things in a way that encouraged both sides to interact.

Wardecs cause the conflict averse to hide. They will not fight.
But their extra-staion infrastructure is at risk, or at least offlined for the duration of the wardec.

So maybe the purpose of wardecs is to keep players who don't want to engage in the game limited from a production standpoint. The builders have a huge advantage in a game that is based on player made items; that advantage leads to profit and accumulation of wealth that PvPers do not have access to.

So the wardecs either prevent the wealth from being realized in the first place or they push some of that excess ISK from the bears to the pvpers; creating interaction that did not exist before and benefiting both types of player.

You can't force me to undock, so no, you can't blow up my ships or stop me from running jobs at my POS.

The war dec, as it exists, just forces me to change corps as soon as the dec comes in. Still doesn't let you launch an economic war against me.


ANY mechanism that could be created that let you launch an economic war against players, would simply result in many, many players quitting the game. So, NO, CCP is not going to allow that.

Out produce them. Mine the rocks before they get them. Manufacture and sell below their cost.


Just because you are better at fighting does NOT mean you get to harass others to the point that they will want to quit the game.

Possibility, sure.

Probability? I don't think you are paying attention. CCP clearly wants all kinds of players, PvPers AND carebears.


It amazes me how many people so badly misunderstand this.


Maybe EVE was originally about being a cold, harsh place where you were constantly in danger, and the weak dropped the game. It is not that any more. It is now a game designed to support many play styles, and all kinds of players.