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400M isk for a PLEX?... really?
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rogueclone2
MANDALORIAN MOTORS ENGINEERING CORE
#21 - 2011-10-31 22:36:55 UTC
Shanlara wrote:
Tahna Rouspel wrote:
The PLEX sale volume hasn't visibly changed in Jita in the last few months. It's the demand that increased, not the offer that decreased.

CCP should not impose a cap. The market varies in a natural way. Losing people that use PLEX isn't an issue as long as the volume of PLEX being sold is the same. If these people are no longer able to pay in isk, they can pay in money or farm more/better.


I think your words come from pure greed here, cause what you said makes no sense, I doubt ccp would like to lose a 20% player base just in hope of what you say is true, since how do you expect the influx of plex to keep the same when the player base gets lower ?


yep.
Sator Nyatt
Nulli Secunda Holding
Nulli Secunda
#22 - 2011-11-01 01:43:53 UTC
Although by that same token subscriptions have fallen over the past 6 months.

I wonder if there's actually a shift in people moving from paying money to buying plex for time, and a shift away from people spending lots of $$$ in general for eve.
Cunane Jeran
#23 - 2011-11-01 01:56:09 UTC
The power of 2 offer certainly isn't helping, 3 plex for a new account, 180 days of game time and one of those cerebral accelerator things is a mighty fine deal.
Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-01 02:43:05 UTC
rogueclone2 wrote:
Shanlara wrote:
Tahna Rouspel wrote:
The PLEX sale volume hasn't visibly changed in Jita in the last few months. It's the demand that increased, not the offer that decreased.

CCP should not impose a cap. The market varies in a natural way. Losing people that use PLEX isn't an issue as long as the volume of PLEX being sold is the same. If these people are no longer able to pay in isk, they can pay in money or farm more/better.


I think your words come from pure greed here, cause what you said makes no sense, I doubt ccp would like to lose a 20% player base just in hope of what you say is true, since how do you expect the influx of plex to keep the same when the player base gets lower ?


yep.


I'm not the one making money here. I pay for my subscription, but I wouldn't have any trouble paying for my subscription up to 1 bil/PLEX. I only have 1 account, mind you. Losing an alt account wouldn't be the same as losing a unique customer for CCP.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-11-01 04:17:14 UTC
The entire market is a little inflationary at the moment. Remember PLEX are supplied by casual players who want to just spend cash to get ahead in the game. Without them driving down price it is pretty much determined by speculation based on pre-existing plex. Such is life. Xmas break is coming up here soon which means kiddies and college students will have free time and money. I plexed my toons through to December before it started pushing up and will likely pay less than 400 when they come around. Summer vacation also drops the price IIRC. Finally remember that time equity is the real resourse in this game. If it takes you 2 hours to make a plex then you are earning 7.50 an hour. Answer being if you are'nt making enough doing things you enjoy in Eve pull out your credit card.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#26 - 2011-11-01 07:40:48 UTC
Shanlara wrote:
Tahna Rouspel wrote:
The PLEX sale volume hasn't visibly changed in Jita in the last few months. It's the demand that increased, not the offer that decreased.

CCP should not impose a cap. The market varies in a natural way. Losing people that use PLEX isn't an issue as long as the volume of PLEX being sold is the same. If these people are no longer able to pay in isk, they can pay in money or farm more/better.


I think your words come from pure greed here, cause what you said makes no sense, I doubt ccp would like to lose a 20% player base just in hope of what you say is true, since how do you expect the influx of plex to keep the same when the player base gets lower ?



I don't believe that the people paying for their game time with ISK is the same persons supplying the market with PLEX, so losing 20% of players who dont want to pay $ or ISK will hardly do much to the supply of PLEX in a short term. Sure if those people stop playing, the PLEX market would crash a bit, when the price of a PLEX rise there is a high probability that people who supply us with PLEX would want to cash in and buy even more PLEX. then again as they get cheaper more people will activate their accounts or pay for their subscription that way. And the prices will go up again......

PLEX is best bought and sold at market price, that will ensure that people buying PLEX gets the most ISK for their $ and the higher the price the less incentive exists to use RMT services. Running bots will also become more expensive. All good with a high PLEX price I say..

It is really silly that one can have several accounts and pay for the game time on them using only more or less passive income..
Songbird
#27 - 2011-11-01 16:30:39 UTC
there's a lot of income from the incursions - I see about 1000 people in the 2 channels combined in peak time. That's 1000 people that can buy a plex in a day. Just thinking that a lot of income in high sec drives the prices up of everything - I know that navy MFS went from 60 to 100-120mil.
Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
#28 - 2011-11-01 16:36:11 UTC
if you pay your subscription with irl money you dont have any prb ... 6 month cost almost 11euro per month ...

Plex introduction unbalance in game :

-War destruction cover by plex , so why we expand isk for doing war if the competitor use plex to rebuild ...?

im not sure that increase the cost of plex solve this casus beli .

if the plex cost increase .. claimer which use plex to maintain the infrastructure have more facility to do this

if the ple cost decrease .. the macroters with theire external macro tool are feeded ...

no way its look like to choice between The leprosy and the cholera



Nb : dont forget .. Eve its real , there are also real player with real skill wich do unpredictable action ...

i dont use plex , im not agree with this system and dont trading this item too ;)
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#29 - 2011-11-01 19:19:53 UTC
I'll let you into a little secret......


Gathering isk has become substantially easier over the last couple of years so more people have more isk to throw around. A small group of people decided that it was time for PLEX to be revalued. The rest is just nature baby.

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Jitalutscher
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-11-01 20:10:41 UTC
Winter is coming!

The winter patch and the infos about it that were released in the last couple of weeks have increased the demand for playtime, ppl return and reactivet there alts to be ready for the new t3 BC and hybrid rebalance. Coupled with not so great US/EU econs, the normal increase coming each winter and the fact that ISK can be gathered rather easy.

AND

Incarna was a debacle, that means fewer new player, few new players who want to sell some plex to get that shiny new toy.

Capitals and supers getting nerfs means no big toys for ppl to buy with plex, so tough luck. Plex prices will max out december/jan and start to decline in feb
Ariel Dawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-11-01 20:24:58 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
I'll let you into a little secret......


Gathering isk has become substantially easier over the last couple of years so more people have more isk to throw around. A small group of people decided that it was time for PLEX to be revalued. The rest is just nature baby.


That's hilarious. There is no group of people who decided that PLEX should cost more, and any people who think they actually have any influence are full of themselves. I bought a massive number of PLEXes when they came out initially to dump ISK I wasn't doing anything with and a temporary drop in supply had no real effect on prices.

A few years ago a 30 day GTC cost ~130m
PLEX cost 250-270m early in their release
They now cost 400-440m
2 years from now they'll cost 600m+

EVE has tons of ISK coming into the game and comparatively little leaving it. Game time for "free" will always be product #1 in demand, and will continue to rise in value until the day EVE dies.
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#32 - 2011-11-02 09:19:36 UTC
Sator Nyatt wrote:
rogueclone2 wrote:
at what point will ccp step in ?

CCP have no interest in letting plex get too high, because it will mean they will lose subscriptions since a certain percentage of people will refuse/can't pay real money for their accounts.


No you are wrong, If you doesn't pay for subscription with RL money you are worthless for CCP. Sorry about that.

CCP is a company that exist to make money ( just like every other in the world ) if they let you play for free by buying PLEX with ISK
that's because they are not very greedy. Every subscription payed with ISK is waste of profit for CCP.
I expect to be payed for my work, CCP either.
This is sad for many of us but it's the way that RL economy works.

I always wondered why CCP is so generous and keeps PLEX prices so low compared to ISK/h ratios in the game.
It's very easy to make 150-200m with little effort per day thease days.
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-11-02 09:48:41 UTC
Gatan Hahran wrote:
There are several effects that push the PLEX price.

1) Player numbers suffered a bit: If this happens the pool of isk in illegal markets raises because of selling quitters, which results in lower $/ISK ratio and lower incentive to purchase through legal way = less PLEX = high cost/PLEX, which automatically balances the suppy and demand .. and dollar->PLEX becomes more attractive again at the end of the cycle, which we have far not reached yet.

2) Suffering economy in both USA and Europe, the primary markets of PLEX purchases with dollars. If this happens people tend to be careful with wasting their cash and tend to pay with worthless ISK for their gametime instead of dollar or euro.

3) Speculation



Better way for CCP:

CCP sells the gametime for an ISK amount that is related to the total amount of ISK in the game on active accounts. But how do they earn the money that they get from PLEX now?
They go the Diablo 3 way and allow player to player trading.
Player A wants to sell his ISK to Player B for 100 Dollar.
ISK and Dollar change owners through CCP as third party.
CCP keeps a comission of 25 Dollar for the exchange.
RMT destroyed, since the risk of losing everything is not worth to avoid a 25% fee.


1) So you are trying to say that when people quit CCP sells more monthly subscriptions?

The real answer?

CCP has introduced more and more PvE that all has increased the ISK making capabilities of the players. So there is an increased influx of ISK into the system. The prices going up is simple inflation.
Adunh Slavy
#34 - 2011-11-02 09:58:47 UTC
This freebie +3 cerebral accelerator that last for 30 days ... is it only useable by characters under 30 days old or a similar restriction? If not, 1.2 billion for 20% turret and missile bonus, compared to booster costs ... if it is restricted to noobs, then no biggie, but if anyone can use it, it would impact plex demand IMO.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Companion Qube
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-02 09:59:34 UTC
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
Sator Nyatt wrote:
rogueclone2 wrote:
at what point will ccp step in ?

CCP have no interest in letting plex get too high, because it will mean they will lose subscriptions since a certain percentage of people will refuse/can't pay real money for their accounts.


No you are wrong, If you doesn't pay for subscription with RL money you are worthless for CCP. Sorry about that.

CCP is a company that exist to make money ( just like every other in the world ) if they let you play for free by buying PLEX with ISK
that's because they are not very greedy. Every subscription payed with ISK is waste of profit for CCP.
I expect to be payed for my work, CCP either.
This is sad for many of us but it's the way that RL economy works.

I always wondered why CCP is so generous and keeps PLEX prices so low compared to ISK/h ratios in the game.
It's very easy to make 150-200m with little effort per day thease days.


NO YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU DOESN'T PAY FOR SUSCRIPTION WITH RL MONEY (OR WITH ISK THAT YOU EXCHANGE FOR A PLEX THAT SOMEONE EXCHANGED RL MONEY FOR) YOU ARE WORTHLESS FOR CCP. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

notsureifserious
Levija Saplina
Ken Interplanetary Communication
#36 - 2011-11-02 10:07:42 UTC
Companion Qube wrote:
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
Sator Nyatt wrote:
rogueclone2 wrote:
at what point will ccp step in ?

CCP have no interest in letting plex get too high, because it will mean they will lose subscriptions since a certain percentage of people will refuse/can't pay real money for their accounts.


No you are wrong, If you doesn't pay for subscription with RL money you are worthless for CCP. Sorry about that.

CCP is a company that exist to make money ( just like every other in the world ) if they let you play for free by buying PLEX with ISK
that's because they are not very greedy. Every subscription payed with ISK is waste of profit for CCP.
I expect to be payed for my work, CCP either.
This is sad for many of us but it's the way that RL economy works.

I always wondered why CCP is so generous and keeps PLEX prices so low compared to ISK/h ratios in the game.
It's very easy to make 150-200m with little effort per day thease days.


NO YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU DOESN'T PAY FOR SUSCRIPTION WITH RL MONEY (OR WITH ISK THAT YOU EXCHANGE FOR A PLEX THAT SOMEONE EXCHANGED RL MONEY FOR) YOU ARE WORTHLESS FOR CCP. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

notsureifserious


NO YOU ARE WRONG IF YOU DOENS'T !
Lady Go Diveher
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-11-02 11:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Go Diveher
Highsec carebears who used to run L4's for 50-60mil an hour would look at the price of PLEX (then about 320mil) and think "hmm... 6+ hours of grind or $15?"

The same highsec carebears now largely run incursions for 120-150mil an hour. When the prices were still 320mil, this lead to "hmm... 2 and a bit hours of grind or $15?"

If you want to look at where the Inflation is coming from, skip on by a highsec incursion and ask whether any of those guys making 2 to 5bil a week are paying for a sub or for a PLEX.
GooieGoober
Miranda Regional Technologies
#38 - 2011-11-03 19:20:42 UTC
If CCP really wanted to step in to control the Plex prices, they could sell them at a fixed price and unlimited number in the major trade centers. Say...395MM. This would solve 1 issue and help out on another:

1. Bring plex prices back down to under 400MM (alternative is for plex buyers to purchase from market sold by CCP)
2. Make isk dissappear from the game.

I'm not talking about CCP buying plex and then reselling on the market. I talking about CCP creating them as a consumer good or like a BPO. The isk goes away and CCP regulates the price of the item.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#39 - 2011-11-03 19:43:17 UTC
GooieGoober wrote:
If CCP really wanted to step in to control the Plex prices, they could sell them at a fixed price and unlimited number in the major trade centers. Say...395MM. This would solve 1 issue and help out on another:

1. Bring plex prices back down to under 400MM (alternative is for plex buyers to purchase from market sold by CCP)
2. Make isk dissappear from the game.

I'm not talking about CCP buying plex and then reselling on the market. I talking about CCP creating them as a consumer good or like a BPO. The isk goes away and CCP regulates the price of the item.


Then CCP would no longer get $15-$17.50 per PLEX into their corporate coffers in real life.

Tell me again how that would be good for CCP's financials?
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#40 - 2011-11-03 22:49:50 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
That sucks... WE need more rich kids to put more PLEX on the market.


qf sorta truth.

not sure about the "kids" part but the interest in the game and willingness to pay to get the shiney things that they want to get to... full on koolaid high

... thats what determines how many come on the market...

I really don't think the amount they get is near a fraction of how interested they are in the game in terms of making the decision to convert $ >plex > isk.

After that, the Price is determined by players bidding against each other until the priice gets high enough some start deciiding it isn't worth maintaing an incrmental account that way.

Sounds like you're one drop off... or are you just complaining?

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