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How often do wardecs happen to normal corps ?

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Avicus Janvier
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-14 16:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Avicus Janvier
First some elaboration:
I started playing about a month ago, i had a holiday which allowed plenty time of to play and because Eve has a steep learning curve I thought i would have a go at it at that time.

I joined a corps that was looking for newbies after one day , we got wardecced after one week.
Turning the gameplay to the station waiting game, since I still had the holiday I just wanted to play more.
I left the corps ( in good standing) after receiving a referral to another corps.

I joined the other corps and we got wardecced one day after I joined them , turning gameplay into another station waiting game.
There were some fleet actions for which I totally was not ready and I am a little ashamed to say I left them also.

Since I still had a holiday I applied to another corps of which I knew they were wardecced but thought atleast i would learn how to cope with a wardec then.
After a wardec related incident which led to in my opinion irreparable damage to my reputation within the corps, i left that corps with a very much bruised ego and returned to the NPC corps.

Now I have several options : I want to play the game more, I have not touched exploration yet which I know I would like.
Of course I can stay in the NPC corps for a couple of months, but being a rather social player I would like to join a corps again
But apparantly I am not suited at handling wardecs well.

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?
Haulie Berry
#2 - 2013-05-14 16:12:51 UTC
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After a wardec related incident which led to in my opinion irreparable damage to my reputation within the corps, i left that corps with a very much bruised ego and returned to the NPC corps.


Looks like you're talking about Eve Uni, here. I am somewhat curious as to what you could have possibly done, as a weeks-old newbie, to besmirch your reputation in a newbie-teaching corp. Did you throw a tantrum on teamspeak or something?

Anyway.

Define "normal" corp. "New-player friendly" corporations are frequently wardec magnets.

In the long run, I think you will have better luck acclimating yourself to PvP than you will have trying to find a player-corp that never ends up in a war.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-05-14 16:18:11 UTC
Avicus Janvier wrote:
First some elaboration:
I started playing about a month ago, i had a holiday which allowed plenty time of to play and because Eve has a steep learning curve I thought i would have a go at it at that time.

I joined a corps that was looking for newbies after one day , we got wardecced after one week.
Turning the gameplay to the station waiting game, since I still had the holiday I just wanted to play more.
I left the corps ( in good standing) after receiving a referral to another corps.

I joined the other corps and we got wardecced one day after I joined them , turning gameplay into another station waiting game.
There were some fleet actions for which I totally was not ready and I am a little ashamed to say I left them also.

Since I still had a holiday I applied to another corps of which I knew they were wardecced but thought atleast i would learn how to cope with a wardec then.
After a wardec related incident which led to in my opinion irreparable damage to my reputation within the corps, i left that corps with a very much bruised ego and returned to the NPC corps.

Now I have several options : I want to play the game more, I have not touched exploration yet which I know I would like.
Of course I can stay in the NPC corps for a couple of months, but being a rather social player I would like to join a corps again
But apparantly I am not suited at handling wardecs well.

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?



Any corp that is actively recruiting is BEGGING for war decs. Especially if they are recruiting new players, because about 90% of new characters are actually experienced players creating spy alts, griefer alts, AWOX alts, etc.

Even if you are not actively recruiting, war decs will happen. My corp is just me and my alts, I never do any recruiting, and I still get a war dec every 2 to 3 months or so.


Unless you are a top notch PvP corp, the counter tactic to the war dec is not undock, or if the war persists, just to drop to NPC corp for the duration of the war, then rejoin the player corp. A new corp recruiting a bunch of newbs, trying to go toe-to-toe with an experienced PvP corp is asking to feed them kills. Feeding a PvP corp kills is a sure way to extend the current war dec, and bring even more war decs in the future.

Another thing you can do while wardec is active, if you don't want to drop to NPC corp, is to log into the test server and have mock-fights against your corp mates. None of the isk or stuff you get on the test server translates to the real server, but neither do the losses. Way better to learn how to PvP on the test server than on the real server against ecperienced PvPers.

darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-14 16:27:00 UTC
We've been war-dec'd like once or twice but they never showed up. Your best bet would probably be to join a PvP corp - not only will you learn how to defend yourself but you would also be much less likely to be dec'd in the first place.

Plus, you know, explosions & stuff.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Forum Alting
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-14 16:33:14 UTC
It varies and structure of corp makes a different as well. Corps which are perceived to be large but generally weak are more likely to get war-decced. Unfortunately, these corps also tend to be the more newbie-friendly corps.

My advice is just stick with it. Unless the corp is literally flying apart under the war-dec, go out with cheap ships in as many fleet ops as you can. I remember the first time my main was in a war-decced corp and I made myself look like a buffoon on teamspeak with everyone forming up for an op and me being chased between systems by a hostile fleet.

Something like this:
CEO "How'd they catch you, you're in a thrasher! Have they got interceptors or something?"
Me "I kind of flew into Tama (low-sec system well known for its perma-gate-camp) because I thought they wouldn't follow."
CEO "Camped?"
Me "Yeah, took them a few seconds to lock me though."
CEO "...and they caught you how?"
Me "I tried to fly back through the gate on AB to escape the camp..."
At this point my friend literally face-palms and I become the object of mockery on teamspeak for the next few minutes.

Good times.

I'm actually wondering what you did that was so bad you had to leave.

Back on top though, I'd estimate about 1 dec per month or two for a smallish industrial corp but that's a pure guess because it doesn't happen consistently enough for me to say.

So feel free to get your feet wet in fleet ops. Even if you don't want to risk anything fancy, I'd be surprised if they turned away a suicidal tackle frigate that at least tries to follow orders.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-14 16:35:38 UTC
Forum Alting wrote:

CEO "How'd they catch you, you're in a thrasher! Have they got interceptors or something?"
Me "I kind of flew into Tama (low-sec system well known for its perma-gate-camp) because I thought they wouldn't follow."
CEO "Camped?"
Me "Yeah, took them a few seconds to lock me though."
CEO "...and they caught you how?"
Me "I tried to fly back through the gate on AB to escape the camp..."


Big smile

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-05-14 16:51:24 UTC
Forum Alting wrote:
go out with cheap ships in as many fleet ops as you can.


Excellent strategy, if your goal is to get war decced more often and for the dec's to last longer.

This is exactly what the PvP corps want. If give them what they want, they are not going to leave you alone. The way to minimize war decs (duration and quantity) is to not give the war decers what they want.
Haulie Berry
#8 - 2013-05-14 17:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Forum Alting wrote:
go out with cheap ships in as many fleet ops as you can.


Excellent strategy, if your goal is to get war decced more often and for the dec's to last longer.

This is exactly what the PvP corps want. If give them what they want, they are not going to leave you alone. The way to minimize war decs (duration and quantity) is to not give the war decers what they want.



This is correct, if you are a complete pansy and view PvP as something that is inherently bad, and to be avoided at all costs.

Some additional observations for you, OP:

Your first corp was wardecc'd by Cannibal Kane, which is a pretty tough break, but could have been a good opportunity to learn a thing or two the hard way.

Your second corp appears to have won their war. While they lost many more ships than the aggressors, they destroyed about twice as much in Isk value. You could have gotten in on that! Get over the feeling that you're 'not prepared' for fleet activity. You're not, but it's just a game, and you'll never be prepared until you spend some time failing. Would you rather fail now, when you're brand new, and everyone expects you to **** up a lot? Or later, when everyone expects you to be more experienced?

Unless you're just not interested in PvP, there's no need to wait until you're "good enough" to participate.

Unless you are persona non grata with Eve Uni, I would recommend giving them another shot.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-14 17:36:51 UTC
HS corps are often the target of war decks unless they are the ones decking my best solution to avoid them is to leave HS but then you have other issues. I am not telling you to leave HS but it is the best way to avoid war decks as corps out of HS have ways around war decks should they occur.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-05-14 17:43:37 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:


This is correct, if you are a complete pansy and view PvP as something that is inherently bad, and to be avoided at all costs.


No reason to insult.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pansy

a usually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy
b usually disparaging : a male homosexual



How about, more interested in creating than destroying?

I don't see PvP as bad. It creates the demand for the goods and services I produce. I just prefer to not participate.


There are many, many players that enjoy PvP, and thank goodness EVE has them. I do not think they are bad, or evil. I just have different subjective tastes, and enjoy doing different things.


And, I'm not effeminate or a homosexual. I'm just.... old. Too old for the teenage BS, Epeen waiving that is most of EVE PvP.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-14 17:43:38 UTC
Avicus Janvier wrote:
First some elaboration:
I started playing about a month ago, i had a holiday which allowed plenty time of to play and because Eve has a steep learning curve I thought i would have a go at it at that time.

I joined a corps that was looking for newbies after one day , we got wardecced after one week.
Turning the gameplay to the station waiting game, since I still had the holiday I just wanted to play more.
I left the corps ( in good standing) after receiving a referral to another corps.

I joined the other corps and we got wardecced one day after I joined them , turning gameplay into another station waiting game.
There were some fleet actions for which I totally was not ready and I am a little ashamed to say I left them also.

Since I still had a holiday I applied to another corps of which I knew they were wardecced but thought atleast i would learn how to cope with a wardec then.
After a wardec related incident which led to in my opinion irreparable damage to my reputation within the corps, i left that corps with a very much bruised ego and returned to the NPC corps.

Now I have several options : I want to play the game more, I have not touched exploration yet which I know I would like.
Of course I can stay in the NPC corps for a couple of months, but being a rather social player I would like to join a corps again
But apparantly I am not suited at handling wardecs well.

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?



The high-sec corps that get wardecs are getting those because they made themself a target for wardecs in one way or another.

Flying around with uber pimped ships and obvious behavior of a carebear and griefers will see that and wardec.

Ranting, raging or ******** behavior against another corp can give you a wardec.



A lot of corporations don't get wardecs because they are doing it right. They play while not making a big target out of themself.

BTW, you don't NEED a corp to be social. Plenty of public channels in EVE where you can talk and make friends. You don't have to be in the corp to do stuff together too, you can fleet up with anybody.


Also, if a corp is that upset because you lost something to a wartarget, they are clearly a **** corp and you don't want to be part of those corps. They take space pixels too seriously, instead of whining/raging about the loss they should have helped you in the war mechanics etc.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-05-14 17:49:23 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Also, if a corp is that upset because you lost something to a wartarget, they are clearly a **** corp and you don't want to be part of those corps. They take space pixels too seriously, instead of whining/raging about the loss they should have helped you in the war mechanics etc.



Last time I had a high sec industrial corp, our corp policy was to NEVER undock during war dec, EVER. The one exception was if you were a designated POS fuel tech, then you could go straight from station to POS and back, in a rookie ship. An alt would take the fuel to the POS and you could just be there to move the fuel.

If you wanted to undock, drop to MPC corp for the duration of the war.

But, this was our stated policy, and you had to agree to this before joining the corp... So we weren't forcing the policy on anyone. They were choosing to join a corp that had this policy.

Violate the policy, you were out of the corp, period, no discussion.

It worked well at discouraging war decs and keeping them very short when they did happen.
Haulie Berry
#13 - 2013-05-14 17:50:20 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:


Too old for the teenage BS, Epeen waiving that is most of EVE PvP.



I'm not saying this isn't out there, but the vast majority of my engagements have very little communication between parties beyond a simple, "GF", and maybe some post-game analysis if the fight had an unexpected conclusion.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-14 17:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
LHA Tarawa wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Also, if a corp is that upset because you lost something to a wartarget, they are clearly a **** corp and you don't want to be part of those corps. They take space pixels too seriously, instead of whining/raging about the loss they should have helped you in the war mechanics etc.



Last time I had a high sec industrial corp, our corp policy was to NEVER undock during war dec, EVER. The one exception was if you were a designated POS fuel tech, then you could go straight from station to POS and back, in a rookie ship. An alt would take the fuel to the POS and you could just be there to move the fuel.

If you wanted to undock, drop to MPC corp for the duration of the war.

But, this was our stated policy, and you had to agree to this before joining the corp... So we weren't forcing the policy on anyone. They were choosing to join a corp that had this policy.

Violate the policy, you were out of the corp, period, no discussion.

It worked well at discouraging war decs and keeping them very short when they did happen.


Typical Carebear policy.

Good luck in EVE. Be prepared to spin ships a lot. Most corporations wardec carebears, not for kills, but to ruin their carebearing time.

I totally agree, take cheap stuff, undock, Win that war or die trying.

OP: I have 2 alt corporations...both almost 2 years old...NEVER BEEN wardecced (1 did wardec someone who pissed me off)

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Forum Alting
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-14 17:52:09 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Forum Alting wrote:
go out with cheap ships in as many fleet ops as you can.


Excellent strategy, if your goal is to get war decced more often and for the dec's to last longer.

This is exactly what the PvP corps want. If give them what they want, they are not going to leave you alone. The way to minimize war decs (duration and quantity) is to not give the war decers what they want.


My apologies, perhaps I should've been more specific and provided more context for the above comment.

If your attackers are after good fights then having good fights or (admittedly more likely if your attackers are organized) giving them free massacres might prolong that period which non-pvpers might find unpleasant. In that case, feel free to make them miserable by confining yourself to stations and hoping they get bored and go away before the rest of your corp does.

My advice was based on the assumption that as the OP is obviously not a routine pvper, the corps he joined were biased towards industry. War-deccing this sort of corp is more akin to walking into a barn full of chickens with a big stick. Not good fights, therefore the attackers were more likely to be looking for easy kills. If you can find a decent FC and convince the rest of the corp just follow instructions then you stand a good chance of scaring them off.

From what I've seen, the last thing a corp looking for easy kills wants is for their opponents to turn the tables and destroy the attackers.

So if you want a qualifier, my original statment only applies if you don't mind PvP and your attackers are just preying on the week
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-14 17:52:53 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

The high-sec corps that get wardecs are getting those because they made themself a target for wardecs in one way or another.


Actively recruiting is usually more than enough to make yourself a target. Mining rocks in a good system, with refinery, close to a trade hub can also bring you a war dec .
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-14 17:55:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Typical Carebear policy.

Good luck in EVE. Be prepared to spin ships a lot. Most corporations wardec carebears, not for kills, but to ruin their carebearing time.

I totally agree, take cheap stuff, undock, Win that war or die trying.

OP: I have 2 alt corporations...both almost 2 years old...NEVER BEEN wardecced (1 did wardec someone who pissed me off)


Be prepared to spin ships? No. That is what NPC corps are for.
Volibear Trojan
Up and Big
#18 - 2013-05-14 18:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Volibear Trojan
LHA Tarawa wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Typical Carebear policy.

Good luck in EVE. Be prepared to spin ships a lot. Most corporations wardec carebears, not for kills, but to ruin their carebearing time.

I totally agree, take cheap stuff, undock, Win that war or die trying.

OP: I have 2 alt corporations...both almost 2 years old...NEVER BEEN wardecced (1 did wardec someone who pissed me off)


Be prepared to spin ships? No. That is what NPC corps are for.


I'm sorry im pretty new, but are you saying if I wardec you, you'll stop playing?

So like -- if I don't like you personally I should just keep wardecing you and you'll stop playing until it's over?

this games fun i promise newbies! This tactic doesn't sound like the best to be telling new people who want to have fun!

I would just say stick to an NPC corp!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-14 18:58:45 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Typical Carebear policy.

Good luck in EVE. Be prepared to spin ships a lot. Most corporations wardec carebears, not for kills, but to ruin their carebearing time.

I totally agree, take cheap stuff, undock, Win that war or die trying.

OP: I have 2 alt corporations...both almost 2 years old...NEVER BEEN wardecced (1 did wardec someone who pissed me off)


Be prepared to spin ships? No. That is what NPC corps are for.


So you say...if you get wardecced just leave the corp...That will end up well...shitload of corps in your history, nobody will hire you eventually

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-14 19:03:59 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

So you say...if you get wardecced just leave the corp...That will end up well...shitload of corps in your history, nobody will hire you eventually



You are thinking PvPer, where you don't trust people that bounce corps too often.

If I'm recruiting industrialists, and I see him bouncing from Corp1 to NPC to Corp1 to NPC, to Corp1..... Or I see him bouncing from MyCorp1 to MyCorp2 to MyCorp3, then back to MyCorp1... Well, this is EXACTLY what I'm looking for in a potential recruit. MUCH, MUCH better that someone with an ugly kill board because they lost a bunch of ships to PvPers that war dec'ed his corp.
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