Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, pretty much all I had to say was this, and he beat me to it.

My CNR fits are all pretty tight already, with 6 mids and an empty high. Adding another launcher at ~57 CPU (triple rigors, now that we have a couple built in flares, and because of the explosion radius increase in Odyssey) but with only ~56 more CPU added will be tough, and that's not even going on to the extra mid. I mathed it with a 4x BCU, cruise 2 mission setup, and I'll have most of it fit, but only have 36.5 CPU to fill the last 2 mids.


Still, I can't complain. It'll kill cruisers and up with ease, and still apply good damage to frigates.



The paper DPS goes down, but the applied DPS to anything under battleship, perhaps battlecruiser will go up a fair amount.

Also worth remembering is the cruise missile buff going out in Odyssey, increasing DPS of cruises by ~30%, while increasing the explosion radius by 10%. I think the CNR will come out substantially better after the patch.

Also getting a pretty substantial buff to capacitor, so can't complain there.

I would comment on the others, but I don't typically fly Navy Battleships.

Wait, you guys take yourselves seriously?

You found a way to get lots of hilarious killmails against dumb people at negligible risk to yourselves, and kudos for that, but sitting behind the 4-4 undock in a Tornado isn't something to chestbeat about.

That NGeddon drone bay is most probably a copypasta leftover from the vanilla Geddon, which is now a proper drone boat.

100 cali works for extenders or resist rigs... so you could drop a mid slot and replcae with a tp for lost riggors?

I don't know about you but i'm shooting battleships with my battleship class launchers and the dps is what counts, frigs and cruisers are mostly food for my drones.

For a non PVE fit that's actually not a bad idea at all.

As far as boosting dps however, you still gain basically nothing from putting in a RoF rig while using multiple BCUs. Its not that the extra application from the missing rigors is impossible to make up - its that the DPS can't really be generated elsewhere and once you have enough tank for the task at hand then any extra is just that... extra. You're basically gaining very little in order to have to apply more of your other slots to make up for what you're taking away.

If you have a good use for extra low slots, or you need the extra resists then putting in the RoF starts to be possible - but at that point there are other ships that do the same job just as well.

This is basically it in a nutshell.

The other point that people seem to be overlooking is that as a ship by itself, the CNR is in fact losing DPS. The extra damage is all from a buff to cruise missiles themselves, which as stated "were terrible weapon systems". As Liang has stated multiple times this leaves Torp users a little out in the cold or at least holding the short end of the stick.

Additionally, the extra damage application that is gained with the explosion radius bonus on the hull now is something that an extra TP would have provided prior. Any ship on the field with a target painter could make this happen and it would lessen the potential benefit.

For the solo missioner doing level 4s or anoms with a multitude of cruiser sized crosses to shoot this should be a nice buff to completion times as long as they use cruise missiles, but in fleet combat, or even with groups in PVE (incursions, anyone?) the loss of the potential DPS hurts the hull more than anything else imho.

I essentially blinded myself to this fact because I really wanted an excuse to use Tachyons.
Once I finally gave that up and started looking at pulse I realized just how powerful this thing really is.

Did you know that a tractor beam brings wrecks and cans closer to you? Not fitting a tractor beam in certain missions will mean a 20-30km trek to go manually pick up the can that is your mission objective. In L5 missions, it means that you are skipping out on sweet sweet tag loot. In pirate L4s, it means that you're leaving 50% of the value of the mission on the floor. It really goes on and on and on and on....

What a silly thing for you to say, really.

-Liang

Yes, this is an age old conversation actually. It's the same conversation we had years ago when we discussed the CCNR vs the Cruise Golem. As it turns out, the CCNR applies DPS pretty damn well already so the extra DPS was more useful than the Golem's better damage application.

Also, utility highs are useful for things like tractor beams, neuts, nos, smart bombs, auto targeters, and more! The CNR doesn't have one anymore. This is a big deal.

-Liang