Science & Industry

well 30-50-70 % is not an issue jita. People in 0.0 need to adjust the numer of tower they have etc depend on the price of iso/LO/HW

i dont care if empire can't manage to make 94% of iso etc, that will force 0.0 to make ice or low sec to do it

more miner in 0.0 more ganker more fun

because when you consider the half harvester cycle times, you're still getting a buff. also, looking at the isk/hr of each type of anom they are perfectly balanced.

Because lowsec being the most profitable place to mine is an accident of the original ice implementation. If you look at the initial distribution, it was not believed that LO would be the most profitable non-racial - stront would be. However, with the end of pos warfare and the rise of supercaps obsoleting sieged dreads, nobody really uses stront anymore. And with cynos and jump bridges pushing LO use above heavy water (and, the stockpiles caused by of ages of poses using tons of LO for grid and little HW for cpu) despite both being produced roughly equally, an entirely unplanned situation occured with ice where value increased as systems got worse. So a system with -.01 trusec had much better ice than one with -1.0 (exactly the opposite of every other system value thing).

Part of this patch fixes that, so ice value scales with trusec in the intended way.

So as a result of getting that fixed, lowsec is losing an unintended buff. Obviously, people who want lowsec buffed aren't going to be happy about that, but you can see why the change is being made.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE AU TZ INQUISITION

it is safer to mine in nullsec than in lowsec

ignoring, of course, the vast amounts of time and isk you spent conquering that nullsec, that you placed at risk to take and hold it, the vast amounts you'd lose if you lost your space, what you'd lose if your corporation was ejected from the alliance or you were ejected from the corporation

this is much like how you make more money buying lottery tickets than investing, once you discount all of the money you spend on tickets and all the times you didn't win

Beware that 94% is based on the ice mined in the whole universe and after patch they want to reduce the quantity of ice enough to cover the 80% of the demand of the whole universe. They are two different things.

So if every day in the universe 1m of ice blocks are mined (numbers just made-up) but the demand in the whole universe is of 100k, that 94% is referred to that 1m (so 940k blocks are mined in HS).
What they want to do after patch is that HS will be able to give only 80k blocks per day (the 80% of the demand).

So it's not easy to say "lowsec, nullsec miners will have to mines x% more than before" without knowing what is the actual demand.

PS: And how i understood it is that that 80% comes from the quantity of ice that you can potentially mine in HS given the new belts, but it's clear that most probably it won't be possible due to the TZ issue. So the actual HS offer will be most probably lower.

The problem as I've figured so far, is that the block sizes are going to change and I will now have to mine the ICE as I would a large Veldspar rock, as well as the competition for quantity.

The beauty of ICE as it is before update, is that you can setup your team of miners on a single rock all around each other with my ORCA and Freighter pilots as well within 500m of each other. I can work on computer repairs in RL (or whatever) and go back to the team of miners to move the ICE around from Cargo holds about every 15 minutes or so. Thus the semi-afk action. If you have to dedicate eye-time to finding new rocks and hunting for spawns every 4 hours, it just isn't something that is reasonable to do while trying to focus on something else in RL. Face it, mining ICE or (Ore for that matter) in general isn't an exciting profession and truly is just an ISK sideline for those players who want to earn extra ISK in an almost passive sort of way. I refuse to Bot or automate anything in a game as that totally defeats the purpose of winning a game to me, but Multi-boxing seemed quite fair as it is the player who is making all the actions, but just with a bigger team..... ICE was the only thing that allowed the SEMI-afk thing, and the only reason I can see that someone would want more than say 3 or 4 active accounts at any one time. It really scaled well for having a larger fleet in regard to profit, as you could skill a character for the Character Bazaar and use the same account to mine ICE with another character, with the Miner paying for the account

It's no big deal really, there is just no reason to have a large subscription base anymore as I see it, but it's a huge plus for the solo miner who is at the computer playing the game as an ICE man.. the Prices are going to go nuts on this product.

i dunno about you guys, but it made me cry to see these tiny rocks.
Another winnnnn for CCP about botting (thats the only reason), but another drama added and specially for players with multiple toons. You gotta love to be a industrialist.

pro:
CCP more happy get rid of botters

con:
* out mined to fast (specially the high value)
* tiny rocks, about 20-40, with 50-100 quantity in it
* its more work now
* nightmare for multi-boxers
* 60~70km radius
* takes more time to compress due to 2x mining speed

first the exhumer cargo nerf now this, keep em coming

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Anyone want to check my math? This is what I get in my spreadsheet for a single anom in a strong truesec null system:


Heavy water: 1268750
Liquid Ozone: 1615000
Nitrogen isotopes: 1225000

This is enough ice to make 122500 fuel blocks; which is enough to fuel 4.25 large POSs for 1 month. Basically, we can fuel 21 POSs for 1 month, per day, if we are mining 23/7.

Who mines 23/7?

We will not have enough ice in nullsec to support our alliance. Our jump bridges, moon mining, capital jumps, rorq compression, etc will all come to a screeeching halt.

Please tell me I am wrong... I really hope this is not the case.

Regards

You are most likely correct.
I have made my own spreadsheet calculating only isotopes and guessing at how many starbases exist and are running in tiers of sec status: http://qr.net/eveicecalc

As you can see, highsec will lose 75% of it's starbases, lowsec will lose 45% of it's starbases, and null will lose the most of all.