EVE General Discussion

Looking at your corp title I guess you would know all about that?

if it needs some WORK it makes some difference between players. Remove it and you lost something.

Like in case of scanning: there was EFFORT to place probes right way, there was skills to do it right and fast. Some people could do it faster and better than others. It's no more. Something is lost.

honestly they should bring back probing to the way it was when first introduced and skill in scanner use actually mattered. I remember a guy hat used to scan people out before pobes with just doing the math.

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Yet they are not changing how scanning works overall, they are only making it easier. Pretty much removing what little skill is needed. Makes it pretty pointless at this point. People talk about things being repetitive, without realizing that Eve as a whole is repetitive by design.

If a civilization can build big spaceships that go from star to star to blow each other up, I think they'd be capable of writing a macro that automatically puts probes into the proper formation.

Moving each individual probe to put it in the proper place as your resolution gets finer and finer isn't difficulty, its tedium.

As for mini-games - I'm in a love-hate wait-and-see mode there. They could be interesting and add to the game.

It's a game. You could also say in a civilization that can build big spaceships could also create a AI that automatically does triangulation, or do everything else for you. However that would be a pretty boring game.

The new system doesn't change the tedium of probing by design, it only makes it easier. It being difficult is up to perspective. Being able to set up formations in a proper and timely fashion was pretty much the only thing made it "difficult". Personally I never found probing to be tedious outside of having to click the probe launcher 4-8 times to get the probes out. To each his own I guess.



Yes it was a bad analogy, I know. Also it wasn't a direct comparison.

I like the game, you like the lag: de gustibus non disputandum est.

On a side note, MMORPG doesn't mean "MMORPG in Corporations", it only means that you engage (or "can" engage) humans on the other side of the screen. I like that part of the MMORPG, but on my side of the barricades I prefere to be by myself, or with a maximum of one or two colleagues (if necessary). The point is though, that this game *need* both the solo player AND the big corporations. My post is not against big corps, but in favor of solo players.

This would imply the changes where UI based, which they are not. Adding in predefined "clusters", removing DSP, and limiting advanced probing techniques is a mechanic change not UI. The UI is still relatively the same.

Not another anti-odyssey thread >.> I am glad they are fixing and addressing some of the concerns with the new probing system, but it does have the potential to be more efficient then the current one. It never really made sense to hold shift, move probe ranges, hold alt, adjust probes toward the center. Now you can do both those functions and dont even need to press shift/alt which to me does NOT take from the difficulty of it, just makes it a more streamlined and efficient design.

I will admit though, I think the base signals can be dialed down some. With DSPs being removed, it really isn't necessary to adjust to little deviation as possible before skills come into play.

As for the hacking mini-game. I love it, going to radar and mag sites is really a two step process. Unless you have a T3, you are condemned to scan down a site with a buzzard or something, bookmark the structure, go back and dock, grab your combat ship (that you have to drag with you), fly out and shoot ****, re-dock and grab your buzzard again, fly back out, and sit with a module turned on doing nothing but waiting for a chance of success for you to open the can, loot, and fly away. That doesn't really seem like exploring, its more like a simplistic mission.

However, the mini-game gives you an interactive interface that provides more of an exploratory feel to it. Each node you click you don't know if its a defense system or a utility slot. Either way, I prefer something that I can do to just sitting there and running a module over and over until a can unlocks.

The even nicer part about the probing interface is hiding all the probes that arent at the center. If I am using a pinpoint formation and only need to adjust one probe to move them all...why do I need to even see the others? However, you can over-ride this and show them by pressing shift.