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Battleships and above,...weapon systems and such

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Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#41 - 2013-05-14 10:39:04 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Notice how every time anyone, anywhere in the world, wants to give an example of a mighty battleship, they invoke the name of the USS Missouri.


Guns are so 1940s... modern warships are basically Caldari. All missiles and ECM.


So true.
Guns are 40s.

Nothing you can do if the ship fires at you from a distance you can't even see.

Love that battlecruiser btw.

Whatever.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-05-14 10:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Karsa Egivand
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Karsa Egivand wrote:

You mean they would have been good target practice for carrier launched torpedo bombers?

Don't forget Dive Bombers.

Torpedo's hit below the belt, Dive Bombers burn the deck. I like that combination because it gives me the mental image of a very short guy running up to a big tall fat guy and punching him in the nuts, while he hunches in pain over another one comes up and drops an anvil on his head. Thump!

Call of Duty Looney Tunes Edition. Big smile


Not saying that dive bombers aren't good. But vs. a super-armored battleship, I'd rather have more torpedo bombers.

Dive bombers mess up the flight deck of a carrier pretty bad, though. They are awesome to settle a carrier vs carrier debate.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#43 - 2013-05-14 10:57:44 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:


Love that battlecruiser btw.


Kirov reporting!
Alara IonStorm
#44 - 2013-05-14 11:00:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Kirov reporting!

WHY AM I LOSING TOO BLIMPS!!!

I HATE THIS GAME! Evil
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#45 - 2013-05-14 11:03:39 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:

You didn't, you are right that many Americans are nuts and ignorant tho.

As opposed to the smart rational people of other nations. Lol

Radius Prime wrote:

The Japanese Yamato-class had almost twice the displacement of the Missouri.. So that's almost twice your tonnage and 2 of the class were built.

Actually they were a little less than 40% larger.

A third was actually built as an Aircraft Carrier (Shinanno), the heaviest of the war. It was sunk by a Submarine like 10 days out of port. Hilarious I think overall. The Yamoto's designed to fight Battleships met their end to Aircraft, the Shinanno designed to face Aircraft Carriers and was sunk by a Sub.

Just can't catch a break.


Shinano sank because her watertight compartments weren't, her crew was unfamiliar with the ship and early on, damage control measures that might have saved her weren't taken because of ignorance.

Also, there seems to have been a design flaw where the torpedo bulge attached to the armored belt.


Regarding Bismarck, the ship would have sunk eventually - after destruction of all heavy weapons - when the opening of the engine room flood valves accelerated her demise.

Lütjens refused to have the jammed rudder blown off for fear of damaging the screws. Personally, I consider his situation assessment to have been flawed in this regard. It's better to maybe limp home instead of being guaranteed to getting shot to pieces.

Also, had Bismarck been built with four screws instead of just three, that torpedo hit would have probably not knocked out all steering capability.


On another note, Missouri and the other ships of her class were mainly used as naval artillery platforms during the cold war. In that regard they're actually more like dreadnoughts in Eve than actual ingame battleships.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#46 - 2013-05-14 11:20:03 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Kirov reporting!

WHY AM I LOSING TOO BLIMPS!!!

I HATE THIS GAME! Evil


Least they were effing slow, and you could take your time killing them (if you caught them far enough out). Though, staying the hell away from them when they reached 'veteran' status was your best bet...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#47 - 2013-05-14 11:34:14 UTC
Hey OP, the point you really want to make about BS in eve vs RL.. is the fact there aren't many windows on RL BS, but there are hundreds perhaps thousands on EVE BS. Considering these old BS have actual crews and ours have just one, who does the looking out of the many thousands of empty windows...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-05-14 11:35:31 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Hey OP, the point you really want to make about BS in eve vs RL.. is the fact there aren't many windows on RL BS, but there are hundreds perhaps thousands on EVE BS. Considering these old BS have actual crews and ours have just one, who does the looking out of the many thousands of empty windows...


We do have crewBlink
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#49 - 2013-05-14 12:23:50 UTC
Sumthinburnin wrote:

This vessel is about the size (in length ) as a Coercer(278 m), has guns as big 406 mm (Very near eve's biggest rail gun)


You should compare to projectiles :P

...and stabber (217m) fits 720mm arties....
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#50 - 2013-05-14 12:25:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Hey OP, the point you really want to make about BS in eve vs RL.. is the fact there aren't many windows on RL BS, but there are hundreds perhaps thousands on EVE BS. Considering these old BS have actual crews and ours have just one, who does the looking out of the many thousands of empty windows...


We do have crewBlink



Fraid we don't, not the capsuleers..though in the past some of us wanted somehow to put the 'crew equation' in. As is, it's all empty save for your pod. Empire ships are of course crewed.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#51 - 2013-05-14 12:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Notice how every time anyone, anywhere in the world, wants to give an example of a mighty battleship, they invoke the name of the USS Missouri.

I'm not one of those "Mericuh! F**k yeah!" kind of Americans.... but recognize that this nation of mutts I call home, built the single most destructive conventional weapon in the history of mankind.... :)


I think that mantle actually goes to The Yamamoto. She certainly had bigger mains, and I think more secondary guns as well.

However the US battleships have been used much more recently and have tracking that the older ships could only dream about.

So it probably comes down to if you are taking stats as given or using EFT as far who had more DPS.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#52 - 2013-05-14 13:04:03 UTC
Deerin wrote:
Sumthinburnin wrote:

This vessel is about the size (in length ) as a Coercer(278 m), has guns as big 406 mm (Very near eve's biggest rail gun)


You should compare to projectiles :P

...and stabber (217m) fits 720mm arties....


In space, nothing will ever beat a big hunk of matter being fired at tremendous speed. Perfect accuracy and unlimited range. Self-propelled munitions would be prone to failure and only have so much fuel, meaning any advantage from guidance would be moot after a short time. Not that it is hard to predict motion in space and put a few hundred kilograms moving at 10% the speed of light exactly where something is going to be with a 0% error rate.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#53 - 2013-05-14 13:06:41 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Hey OP, the point you really want to make about BS in eve vs RL.. is the fact there aren't many windows on RL BS, but there are hundreds perhaps thousands on EVE BS. Considering these old BS have actual crews and ours have just one, who does the looking out of the many thousands of empty windows...


We do have crewBlink



Fraid we don't, not the capsuleers..though in the past some of us wanted somehow to put the 'crew equation' in. As is, it's all empty save for your pod. Empire ships are of course crewed.


Oh, but we do

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#54 - 2013-05-14 13:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Velicitia wrote:
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Hey OP, the point you really want to make about BS in eve vs RL.. is the fact there aren't many windows on RL BS, but there are hundreds perhaps thousands on EVE BS. Considering these old BS have actual crews and ours have just one, who does the looking out of the many thousands of empty windows...


We do have crewBlink



Fraid we don't, not the capsuleers..though in the past some of us wanted somehow to put the 'crew equation' in. As is, it's all empty save for your pod. Empire ships are of course crewed.


Oh, but we do


Crew could be a really interesting game mechanic. Something with a lot of variables and random values. Maybe with potential to exceed or underperform depending on situation, skills and history. It would also lend more impact to loosing a ship.

It might be an interesting way to replace the clone cost sink.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-05-14 14:21:35 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Kirov reporting!

WHY AM I LOSING TOO BLIMPS!!!

I HATE THIS GAME! Evil


QUICK!! BUILD MORE PATRIOT MISSILE!!!!!!

Or just go "gg" in chat...
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-14 15:37:11 UTC
As some of you are into Battleships, and some of you think they have been consigned to history via aircraft carriers, you might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9xDHQX0AU
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#57 - 2013-05-14 15:43:18 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
As some of you are into Battleships, and some of you think they have been consigned to history via aircraft carriers, you might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9xDHQX0AU

Yes. The dreams of armchair generals are always interesting funny. Lol
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-05-14 15:54:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
As some of you are into Battleships, and some of you think they have been consigned to history via aircraft carriers, you might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9xDHQX0AU

Yes. The dreams of armchair generals are always interesting funny. Lol


Sometimes thou 'arm chair generals' are more knowledgeable about things then the real thing.
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#59 - 2013-05-14 15:55:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
As some of you are into Battleships, and some of you think they have been consigned to history via aircraft carriers, you might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9xDHQX0AU

Yes. The dreams of armchair generals are always interesting funny. Lol

I particularly liked using using the Battle of Samar as evidence in support of Iowa reactivation. Lol

Fear God and Thread Nought
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-05-14 15:57:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
As some of you are into Battleships, and some of you think they have been consigned to history via aircraft carriers, you might find this interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9xDHQX0AU

Yes. The dreams of armchair generals are always interesting funny. Lol


TBH, both might be irrelevant if a proper missile cruiser (with sattelite support) ever gets build and let loose. Aircraft carriers are probably only relevant as a tool of force projection UNTIL a truly modern navy sinks them within hours of a conflicts start.