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Dringy Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-14 09:08:19 UTC

I decided to set up a Mobile warp bubble at our moon warp in.
Deployed a medium bubble then scattered a bunch of drones for de-claoking anyone who warps in.
It worked great. (jumped in a cloaky warped to the moon from a bunch of different place and i was stuck in a bubble and de-cloaked)

So I then got a little bored and decided to shoot some of the drones i had abandoned with 1 of the pos turrets.
Killed the drone and got my small bit of amusement... only to then notice the gun i had used then started killing the bubble i had anchored.....

OK.. I assumed control of the gun and it stopped firing.. relinquished control and it started up again.
....fair enough....
Offline the little delinquent. yeahh that stopped you... Twisted

Warped over to the mobile warp disruptor bubble to see how damaged it was / if it needed reps.....
.....
.....
The whole pos agroed me. and almost killed my phantasm.. I only just managed to escape.

So after laughing for a good few mins ive gotta ask, Why was i attacked?
Or is it my pos clearly doesn't agree with the abandonment and then murder of innocent hobgoblins Big smile,

dringy o7










Serenta Mystra
N'tech
#2 - 2013-05-14 09:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenta Mystra
Check if the POS isn't set to target aggression.

Had a problem with my own in a WH where blue's were being aggressed, while the POS was set to shoot anything below 4.0 standing. I eventually found that setting in turret control. Cool

Seems the aggression means if there's a fight started in the POS' killzone that it WILL finish said fight, even if it was some blues poking each other. Twisted

But I've never had the POS aggress its own corp members Shocked
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-14 09:24:18 UTC
I wonder if it is some sort of limited engagement you created with your corp vs you, shooting the drone with the pos was pretty much aggressing you since the drone belonged to you. strange yet funny. Sounds as bad and hilarious as some old drone AI flukes. POS tower has been infested and gone rogue lol.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-14 09:35:48 UTC
*shooting drones*

"I'm afraid i can't let you do that, Dave."

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2013-05-14 09:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Gallifreyan
That's actually a very interesting occurence.
I would be interested in hearing if you could re-create this (in your least expensive Tankiest ship with only one small gun active)

If you can isolate a setting, then it may be as intended.

It sounds like the warp bubble may be aggressing the tower, and when repping the bubble you get aggression to the tower (and guns)

I would suggest submitting a bug report.
Bug Reporting Wiki

P.S. I don't think the drones are related to the situation, but perhaps the violence in the vicinity of the tower sets of the aggression retaliation.

ISD Gallifreyan

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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-14 10:15:25 UTC
Always remember that code-wise, your POS is a rat.

That is why CCP devs are always cursing the POS legacy code. To cut down on development time and to include the feature of POSes shooting stuff, they were born as rats. They still are rats in some ways.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2013-05-14 10:16:52 UTC
Welcome to EVE, where if your stuff isn't trying to kill you, you're doing it wrong™

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#8 - 2013-05-14 10:42:23 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
That's actually a very interesting occurence.
I would be interested in hearing if you could re-create this (in your least expensive Tankiest ship with only one small gun active)

If you can isolate a setting, then it may be as intended.

It sounds like the warp bubble may be aggressing the tower, and when repping the bubble you get aggression to the tower (and guns)

I would suggest submitting a bug report.
Bug Reporting Wiki

P.S. I don't think the drones are related to the situation, but perhaps the violence in the vicinity of the tower sets of the aggression retaliation.

It was always like this.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#9 - 2013-05-14 10:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:

It sounds like the warp bubble may be aggressing the tower, and when repping the bubble you get aggression to the tower (and guns)


P.S. I don't think the drones are related to the situation, but perhaps the violence in the vicinity of the tower sets of the aggression retaliation.


The warp bubble would have had to aggress someone for the POS to open fire, also he mentioned to "check" the bubble to see if it needed reps, not actually repped it.

I think it had everything to do with the drones. Either by using the POS to attack his own drones he created a term of aggression from the tower to his own corp. It could also be that the tower is set to fire on aggression, and by the player shooting drones created aggression, which in return would cause the POS to fire at anything "owned" by the player. Which would explain the bubble getting shot and the player.


E: Or the tower just went skynet, wouldn't be the first time this has happened.

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Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-05-14 11:13:42 UTC
Well we're the drones abandoned from your drone bay? Or dropped from cargo hold. If abandoned then they would create a situation where the tower considers it aggression, on you from you. Yes it's wired but it's the way it's written.


FYI from my experiences in eve I've learned this. Wen you start doing things out the normal stuff you usually do 9 times out of 10 you end up dead. Lesson here don't step off the porch.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#11 - 2013-05-14 11:18:28 UTC
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Always remember that code-wise, your POS is a rat.


At least they have the decency to stay put when you shoot at them and not warp away to a random grid.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Dringy Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-14 12:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dringy Tsero
I think Brooks Puuntai may be right.
I created an aggression towards my own corp. and only after engaging the drone which while abandoned, was still "green". / but not owned by me, ( the bubble was lunched for self)

For those of you who are interested here's a step by step of what i actually did. ill probs post this into a bug report aswell...

- Warp to default moon location eg. Jita xI moon 1
- Anchor Bubble
- Flew over to hangar grabed some drones
- warped back to the default moon warp from a celestial
- got caught in bubble.
- deployed drones.
- right clicked on the "drones in local space" and clicked abandon
- repeated 3 times. (if pos had a standing issue with me it would have attacked me now.... i was out there for about 5 mins)

- hanged out in the pos for a bit.
- assumed controll of medium pulse lazer battery.
- locked up drone. - killed it.
- relinquished control.

- that same gun ONLY started to agro the warp disruptor bubble.
- assumed controll - gun stops
- relinquished controll gun starts up again. (onto bubble)
- Offline gun...

Everythings ok riiight?

- warp to celestial
- warp back to default moon location
- land in the bubble.
- LOCK UP - not rep.... just lock the anchored bubble. to see thats its only lost ~ 1/4 shield.
....
- Entire pos engages me.
- Run like hell. - warp to safe.
- warp back to pos

- The bubble has been knocked out... but not by the original gun... cause its still offline.
- the abandoned drones which are still "green" are still alive.


:D .. im going to try and replicate the result .. but in a shuttle :P

nice to know the pos has a personality ;)

Dringy o7


[Edit]
POS defense settings are Attack if standing lower than 5, attack if sec status lower than 0.0 ( mines 0.5), attack if security status is dropping. attack if at war.

- This is in a WH.
- the drones were inside the warp bubble.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2013-05-14 16:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Dringy Tsero wrote:

[Edit]
POS defense settings are Attack if standing lower than 5, attack if sec status lower than 0.0 ( mines 0.5), attack if security status is dropping. attack if at war.

- This is in a WH.
- the drones were inside the warp bubble.


Change it to "attack if standing lower than 5" forget all the other ones.

Sec status lower than 0.0 --> This could actually end up killing your people.
if at war -> um, you're in nullsec*, you don't have the "at war" bit to worry about, you should be shooting first and asking questions later.
sec status dropping -> while nullsec* doesn't have "sec status loss", it probably still fires off in the code (before crimewatch goes "oh, no, nevermind, that's OK"). TBH, it probably looks into "do they have an aggro timer" than anything. Most likely this is what caused the POS to start murdering your stuff.


*yes, I know you're in a wormhole; but you have the same mechanics (just no sov).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia