EVE General Discussion

Guns are so 1940s... modern warships are basically Caldari. All missiles and ECM.

Ah-murr-ikka's may have been bigger, but Old Blighty's was cooler.

Not a fan of the Vanguard design.

I prefer the HMS Nelson from an aesthetic point of view.

Frigates are supposed to be useless, small, cheap craft with no punch that serve as the firepower where the other guys have shuttles or as scouts for a bigger battle group or a plain run of the mil ship for your average tom **** and harry with no isk.

And yet CCP and a huge portion of the member base demand hand-holding and camp fires for Frigates at the expense of the bigger ships.

Funny you should mention water, she was designed entirely around naval treaty limitations exploiting superior firepower on a smaller hull. The British argued that since they had a large Empire to protect their ships weight limit should not include an excess of water and fuel needed for long distance travel then made the torpedo defense bulges use water as a defense to deflect explosions saving on limited steel tonnage.

The were called Cherry Tree class because the Washington Naval Treaty cut their size down but also gave them their unique design.

This image though small has always been my favorite.

The Pagoda Mast was designed after Asian temple towers. They were a feature on all Japanese Battleships.

My favorite battleships of the war were the Kongo class. Of Japanese Battleships they did more fighting in Pacific than the rest combined.

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Came expecting American chestbeating. Got some with Polish chestbeating as a bonus.
Left satisfied.

One of the interesting things about the Japanese decisive battle will end the war theory is what it did for everything else on the war front. Japan planned a short war where one victory would be required to end it while the US looked two years ahead. This is evidenced by almost everything the US did vs when the Japanese started doing it. They tended to addapt after the crisis started not before in prevention of it.

After Pearl Harbor the US knew exactly where its bread was buttered and immediately started laying new Essex Carriers out. Even realizing that these new Carriers would take too long they started converting 8 Light Cruisers under construction into Light Carriers for the coming storm. While the Japanese converted a few prewar ships designed to be converted to Carriers in the event of war and had a prewar one under construction the first new Japanese Wartime Carriers were laid after Midway. 9 Months after the conflict started.

The Japanese planned 16 new Unryu class Fleet Carriers. The penultimate Aircraft Carrier battle of the Pacific happened at the Mariana's in June 1944 saw 5 Japanese Fleet Carriers and 4 Light Carriers face 7 US Fleet Carriers and 8 Light Carriers and the first two Unryu Carriers were commissioned less than a month after and a third 2 months after that. Nine months is along time. They became so desperate for Carriers they did this to one of their Battleships.

The plans for the rest of them were curtailed by steal and oil supply lines being cut by Subs. Japan didn't start building Escort Ships and organizing convoys in large numbers until late 1943 after their merchant fleet was being decimated. They had in commission 2 types C and D from early 1944 building over 120 of them and introduced more small Escort Carriers after the battle for their supply lines was in full swing and therefore too late. They also didn't want to assign front line Destroyers considering the ASW duty of protecting merchant ships unworthy. As well they built hundreds of cheap no frills merchant ships to combat the losses they were incurring. Compared to the early US effort to put Escort Carriers and Destroyer Escorts / Frigates to sea and assign more Destroyers to back units plus their massive right from the start Liberty Cargo Ship construction program. About 6 nearly finished Carriers would be left incomplete to these shortages and too...

Then their were their pilots and planes. They had the absolute best of both when the war started. The Zero is an icon that served as their go to naval fighter for the entire war. The US Wildcat was inferior so the US released the Hellcat and the Corsair to beat down the Zero and it worked and there in lies the problem. They had the best fighter and didn't put their designers to the task of building something that could best it and therefore the fighters the Allies would be designing. Those great pilots on the other hand inflicted heavy US fighter casualties... then all died. The US worked very hard to pump out qualified pilots and over 5 or so battles and dozens of skirmishes the great Japanese pilots were slowly whittled down by AA fire and enemy planes and little was being down to replace them until they realized they were in short supply.

That battle in the Mariana's above was called the Great Mariana's Turkey Shoot because the quality of new pilots was so very low while the quality of new US planes was so very high. The Japanese would then with few good pilots left abandon their Carriers and begin the Kamikaze flown by pilots with as little as a days training. 4000 Kamikaze would fly and 10000 more were waiting on the home isle, they had the planes not the pilots. Well they did innovate on one plane... yeah that's a human missile.

Even on the ground Bolt Action Rifles were the primary weapons produced in the entire war and when I say primary I mean it. Not one semi automatic rifle saw full service. They knew how to make Sub-machine guns, the kind great for island, jungle, mountain, urban fighting, basically the Pacific War in a nutshell but only made 30000 for special forces and over 6 million bolt actions. There first anti tank rocket launcher came too late and many new antitank guns would not pierce American tanks.

All this led to a strategy where starving regiments would be blockaded, scouted, bombarded and their airplanes/fields destroyed and than US / Australian troops invade with a force tailored to defeat their enemy killing 5 sometimes 10 to 1. The principal strategy was no surrender, fight to the death and maybe the Allies will be like, this is too bloody let's go home. Instead they took the Islands they needed and bypassed the ones they didn't leaving them to starve and used the ones the took to bombard Japan with B-29's.

Once we bring our Battleships into the ocean now swarming with uncontested Allied Subs and Bombers we will have our Battleship duel with the Great Yamato crushing their Battleships and they will realize it is hopeless. Just one more bloody battle and they will all go home. People say production won the war and they are right but Japanese strategic planning / lack of adaptation sure played a big part in helping. Ironically the conquest in the Pacific that gave them the most trouble was the Philippians which didn't have the resources they needed, the British and Dutch Isles did and if they ignored the Philippians and Hawaii and went for them they probably never would have involved the US.

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... for a bit different reasons, but yeah.


Pretty much this, although I must admit that it made me chuckle when I realized that a couple of even 3500mm guns are nothing like firepower you would install onto 18km long ship, even if you take into account all those "guns" on ship model added to make it look plausible that you can fire in any direction, as by game mech.

Let's not even start on that IRL you'd rather build several ships instead...

Don't forget Dive Bombers.

Torpedo's hit below the belt, Dive Bombers burn the deck. I like that combination because it gives me the mental image of a very short guy running up to a big tall fat guy and punching him in the nuts, while he hunches in pain over another one comes up and drops an anvil on his head. Thump!

Call of Duty Looney Tunes Edition.