EVE General Discussion

Gee, maybe that's why there's this thing called "EVE fitting tool" or alternatively Pyfa or EVEHQ.
There's also the test server.
There's also having friends with whom you can mutually agree to stop dueling once you reach structure.

You have all these options available to you. The game doesn't need anything more.


And if you don't want to lose your pod after a duel, it's extremely simple. Duel on undock, and warp away as soon as your ship gets blown up, and keep warping around until your weapons timer expires (which is 60 seconds after the end of your last aggressive action). Smartbombing is impossible on station undock, and if you warp away as soon as your ship is blown up you're extremely unlikely to get caught and podded.


Also you mentioned neutral RR: if you RR someone in a limited engagement you get a suspect flag, so most people in highsec are highly unlikely to bring RR into duels.

I don't get it, I really don't; what happened to reading game documentation before playing a game?

I mean, I remember buying new Nintendo games, and the first thing I always did was read the little booklet that was inside the box. How is this any different? Are people lazy? Do they really expect to enter a game like this and understand everything on their first day without doing any research?

Google.
Help chat.
Eve wiki.

Then maybe you should ask CCP to write a game guide instead of adding more warnings and safeties to everything.

This game already has enough problems with people being too afraid to come out of their shells to actually play it. You put a warning on something and it's just gonna end up being something they think shouldn't be done.

Maybe you should try relying on your brain.
Results may vary with other people such as yourself, but that's always worked for me.

I appear to have hurt your feelings somehow. My apologies.

It's an objectively wrong point of view because there have been studies (please for the love of God don't ask me to quote them) that prove that warnings, no matter how innocuous the subject matter, negatively affect peoples' perceptions in regard to what they warn about.

It's like making a "caution: spicy" sign near a tray of a particular food and then people just think "well, that sounds like it's gonna be quite spicy, so I won't get any" and they get something else instead, despite that particular food being something so good that most of them would've loved it anyway. It would've just been better to make a label saying "spicy food" than just calling it "food" and putting a warning next to it.

Same with "Hot Coffee" and "Coffee. CAUTION: HOT".

And it's the same in EVE; just having an action be called "limited engagement" (I do think that it should be called something else, like "direct hostilities" maybe) is better than having it called "duel" and then having fifty warnings attached for every possible contingency.

No. You're baiting me because you're bored. I hadn't advocated anything in this thread, so your opinions about me are entirely baseless and based on a comment in which I implied "there is no central repository of reliable information" which is an accurate statement. Do I care? No, which was pretty much the point of me rolling my eyes when I said it. But feel free to go on trolling these forums and attacking anyone who doesn't say something to your perfect liking.

Several times I have put my truck on the divider to slow traffic down and make sure the line of baby ducks make it across the highway.

Just about every hunter does things like that (most are actually stewards and volunteers for F&W organizations too).

Why?

Because we want to take a shot at it later. That's why. It's like passing up a doe shot when it has a late fawn: you want the fawn to grow up to be a big-rack buck (who can see in 310 degrees, hear a mouse fart from a mile away, and smell what you are thinking when you think it)

Now, do we want the little baby nooblings to make it to having something of skills or experience without "boom HEADSHOT GBTW PHAG HA HA!" ?

Or do we want to noob harvest and then wonder why we don't have many targets or why this is becoming "Game of Alts" ?

Hmm?

I know I know. SOMEBODY might lose a killmail if CCP puts something in a warning, creates a tutorial, or keeps an online document updated.

We can't have that. That would be like asking Joe ISK-ISK-I-GOTTA-HAVE-THE-LAST.00001ISK-FROM-MY-HULK to - I don't know, put in a damage control module maybe?


I see the pattern here. We can tell the miner to take some precautions and if he don't listen, well then he has it coming. But hey, if we want to tell the noob to expect something bad to happen for doing (x), or that the fit is no good, suddenly that's bad.


Oh well.

Please forgive me. I come from the days when noobs were not instaganked at every gate camp by people pretending ship-raep was PVP.


It would be kind of cool if noobs had a dueling starter mission where they had to duel another player in order to finish it. That would even get them started on PVP.

But I know how that would end with this crowd. RR and noob alts with corporations behind them "just to rack up those kills". If special gates only allowing the player with key in the rookie ship to go through, then you'd have the 60M SP guy flying a velly with 2X Hobgoblin II and Serpy blasters. The litterbox crowd would call that fair. The rest of us would look at a killboard and wonder how fast the owner would curl up in a little ball if his life really got hard.

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And this is just the plain, honest truth. I applaud you, good sir.